Well, I certainly think that that was one of the weakest 'definitions of philosophy' I've ever heard or read!

If 'being gay is a philosophy,' as you seem to argue, what is the source of such 'philosophy'?

Socratic investigation, followed by decision and choice?!

Or are you trying to imply that there is absolutely no genetic or other physiological relationship that 'creates gayness' in humans?

I don't think you can have the one position without acknowledging the other.

Well, now you can start observing Ireland's obvious and inevitable decay into abject destruction after their recent vote...

But personally, I wouldn't bet on that bad shit happening... We'll see.

a couple IS a couple - a couple of humans.

Tell them to see a knowledgeable lawyer and "get all the papers signed". It is not just POA's, there are a big stack of them, and they don't want to be surprised by something the POA doesn't cover.
If you have to, fight dirty. One of the strongest things you can say to a gay man is "What does having some protection hurt?"

All Volunteer Army? . Attribute Value Assertion?
Audio Visual Aid? . perplexed. -- j
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then, there was the time
that I decided to retire.... -- j
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Whoe. That sounds like a good story. Send more - but not on this really narrow thread.

Jan

earlier in life, before the aha moment, I was leaving
the old manhattan project k25 plant and needed to
address the engineering group. . I wrote my notes
on a roll of toilet paper, and they howled when I used
the word "role" and waved it in front of the group. -- j

p.s. that was the transfer to y12.
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we may conclude, thereby, that something about his
philosophy conflicts with his nature. . and yet, my
desire to be monogamous may conflict with my
desire to be king. . hmmmmm. -- j
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Made my day. I am sooo ferocious...grrrr.

(It is always a relief to know that other redoubtable folks have had the same problem I have experienced insofar as freezing up under pressure for some physical tests, though.)

Jan

well that's an act-having sex to propagate your bloodline. But just being a sexual person is being human. How about this example? A priest is celibate due to the dictates of his religion. The religion is his philosophy, the act of abstaining from sex is his choice and does go against his nature as a human being

yes, mom's and dad's votes usually cancelled,
though they didn't talk about it. -- j

p.s. and Emory is super;;; hooray!!!
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Well, well. I went to Emory, John. Sociology from Agnes Scott? I can imagine. Glad you're here now.

I bet that you are formidable! . nothing like an
inventor / philosopher / biologist with attitude
and armor!!! -- j
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southern baptists with a mom whose degree was
sociology from Agnes Scott in hotlanta . . . I was
abdicating my heritage and being unfaithful to the
clan. . it got worse when I fell in love with an atheist
and told them. . but that era only lasted 23 years.
I got single and dated her and changed my mind.
we're still fine friends. -- j
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and if you are king, you think that the more kids you
have -- with whomever, preferably good women --
the better the society will become. . your blood is
royal. . delusion takes many forms, and self-interest
may become all one has for a philosophy, no? -- j
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Why did your family cringe, John?

I have had some very fine personal relationships
with gay and lesbian friends in this life. . none has
been a proponent of nasty stuff, and one is a
close friend of Sybill Shepherd. . fine people! -- j
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I think that was the correct term for your freezing up when you were shooting. I have that problem when I fight in tournaments: In challenges, I can go toe-to-toe with all except the very very best fighters...but in tournaments I tend to freeze up. It has something to do with my 'not wanting to mess up' as opposed to my 'wanting to have fun beating the crap outta my opponent'

Jan, generally has a good time

for me, the oddball, it really was my dad. . mom was
my guide and dad was my anchor. . but Rand taught
me how the guide role might best be done, and the
whole family cringed with my realization. -- j
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an "aha moment" when presenting my paper to the
final class session for the mba -- I realized 1. that
they wanted me to do well, 2. that I had done my
homework and could do it by memory, and 3. that
my notes were great, just in case. . made an a. -- j

p.s. had not heard of "buck fever" -- Thanks!
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yes! . our public servants have turned the tables and
made us the servants. -- j
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Oh, and no, I don't consider my Mom job as the lead in the foundation of the family. If that were true, all these fatherless children in the US would be doing great! Mom and Dad are equally important.

Good question. I consider my Mom job to be crucial to the family. It is very significant that my name in the Gulch is Mamaemma, which tells you that Mama is the most important job in the world to me, and the one that means the most. I think men and women have unique and important roles in life; I just hate it when the feminists try to portray women as downtrodden and abused.

in teaching the certified manager classes, I spoke of
women as a minority in the workplace, deserving of
consideration as such. . I took some heat for asking
that the students consider this. . yet, our workforce
was less than 15 percent female, while the "outside
world" was 51 percent female. . one of the big
principles about people management is to make
the workforce look like the outside population --
else, you get strife. . it struck a chord, sometimes
negative. -- j

p.s. do you consider your Mom job as the lead
in the foundation of your family?
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