Agreed, at this point it is only a state of mind, but who knows the future?

Yes to all you say nick. I think a real Gulch is going to ultimately come down to each of us on our own terms.

I understand your point. The individual is becoming paramount in a society that wants to lump us all together into "groups". Were it not for the impact on my personal life that the government insists on inflicting, the president could be any body wanting to take the job. That is the crux of the issue, how do you ever get the chance to determine your own life and future when they keep sticking their noses into it. A real Gulch would be nice, just not seeing one coming soon.

You're right on about getting our of Dodge, but what concerns me is that if she isn't elected, it will be because the rest of the general population will vote for the anti-Hillary without really looking at that person. Then we wind up with as bad or worse. I think we might better spend our individual time and effort into determining how best to live our own independence in the face of the reality of this current society, rather than becoming embroiled in the media foofaraw

Now this is a good debate comment, thank you. It goes back to the discussion above. Part of the AR culture is a recognition of just how bad government can become and manipulate people to their will, which forced JG to stop the motor of the world.Without that awareness and doing any little thing we can every day to bung up this corrupt governments machine, it will arrive that much faster. The majority of Americans appear to have become so complacent that she can just claim it wasn't a problem. And they will happily go to the slaughterhouse and vote for her. This is the same logic Simon Pegg tried to put out about Star Trek script and he was roundly hammered from the media and his words twisted out of context. Between the media and Hiallary, if she is elected we might as well start learning Chinese or Russian because it will be one of them. The we will need a real Gulch..

Oh, I fully agree that she's a pure thief and fraud. She's also an opportunist collectivist and socialist with no moral or philosophical backing for her beliefs and actions. Just opportunity, popularity, thieving, and may well become the nest President.

But why are we concerned about how much she's taken? We've known what she was since her husband's election. There's nothing new here other than her ability to continue to fool the fools and tap into a real international power base.

It doesn't directly, unless of course a person taking what they can from you, and working to create a government that is based on looting everything it can to deliver it to those they deem worthy. I think there was a book called Atlas Shrugged that covered the idea pretty well. She could have been drawn from it. Oh yea, it also is in Politics, last time I looked, that was one of her professions...

What does this post have to do with Objectivism, AR, or AS?

Doesn't even mention the $12 Million paid by Bill Gates to the Clinton Foundation. The speaking fees are only the more obvious bribes.
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