No. All of you made it for me. I wanted to do a fact check just in case. With greatful thanks to all who helped out.

US Constitution Article 4 Section 4

Been a while since I read Von Mises. I'm currently going through Bateson's Mind and Nature and finished The Great Adventure by Cruise about the NWMP mounties of Canada. It contains a rather detailed and graphic description of the 1800's and the settlement of the Canadian west.both the natives and the Europeans. Taken from actual diaries of the first mounties and others. It conforms in many ways the stories of my grandfather who moved from Minnesota to Idaho in the late 1800's. Particularly pay attention to the meaning of pacify for a perhaps more accurate assessment of human nature.

Might be a good time to end the socialism quest with a garlic smeared stake and go one with the other.

The only redeeming quality Socialism had or has is found in it's failure to produce anything much less fulfill all it's promises.

The promised goals however often do have value so which falls right into the lap of the representative Democracy AKA Republic as the tool we do have or any other form of society and it's government as a free gift and one that is not insurmountable as it would be to a socialist but surmountable (both good words).

One reason I don't support either of the two socialist parties in power.

However I'll leave this segment with the twin phrases of 'motor of the world' and 'means of production.'' Useful tools meaning much the same thing as this phrase. If they pretend to pay we'll pretend to work. Being ''men of the mind'' our pretense will be more productive as whatever is available will be ours. The means of production refers to the simple conclusion that everyone employed in any endeavor top to bottom must contribute for the endeavor to succeed. A combination of mind and muscle and that was depicted by John Galt as a track laborer.

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At this point before the wifi fails again thanks to all who participated and TIA for those who will. johnpe brings us to that conclusion as does part of the constitution. for the moment I will stick with small d democratically selected large R republic form of representative government - as a start point ...

Agreed the government employee must be accountable and that includes universal recall. Why wait six years or even two?

I love pacifists. They do what their told to do when they are told to it. Even the Quakers served in the military as medics. Joan Baez did the same thing. however when the anti-war movement quit just prior to getting the draft banned she was suddenly left all alone. Women's movement did the same thing in the 1990s turning their backs on their sisters in favor of the nations Womanizer-In-Chief. The answer to that is equality in everything including responsibilities of citizenship. and yes Virginia There is a draft waiting in the wings. The other way is expand to areas other than military for people wishing to serve. I can't think of anything more scary than walking into an inner city high school classroom without body armor and a loaded weapon - and a pre-signed pardon. just to draw a picture of other opportunities.

Agreed but then socialism is not an economic system where as capitalism is all about financial matters. Mussolini before the split from Socialism to Naitonal Fascism asked Lenin to explain Marxist Economics so he could explain it. Lenin answered you can't teach it you can only preach it.Make sure you hold out some hope for understanding to your followers and let them know the party has people that understands and make it work. And that's what they have done ever since.

Great job but now add in Sweden, New Zealand to name the two leading socialist countries. One can hardly call them totalitarian and I see little evidence of fascism (do anything to control the citizens).

Anyone up on those two countries and why they work or don't work? I can't say high taxes because when you add it all up ours are probably higher with all the embedded stuff. England on the other hand did not make it work.l

It was now called grading on a curve. Now they give Honor Roll status to near half the student body so they won't feel bad and stunt their growth. The next invention was the 5.0 student who gets extra credit for doing anything beyond regular class assignments. Kinda like the former Governor of California before Arnold. He had a Bronze Star. Everyone got a Bronze Star for going through one year without a court martial or a non-judicial punishment Article 15. To be a 5.0 student you had to get a Bronze Start with V for valor device or something higher. Even that wall was breeched by the touch feelies.

I'll second that or may be first it. I've been contending all along in my posts that people who support evil lesser or greater are nothing more nor less than supporters of evil. Nixon and LBJ got beat out by Obeyme for that title but I would bet there all pikers compared to the next one.

I just received a copy of 3 Days To Kill. There is a a sequence in their between Kevin Costner and the daughters boyfriend when they first meet that perfectly illustrates well worth watching and a great comedy.