My Political Compass Test Result
Posted by RogerMalcolm 10 years, 3 months ago to Philosophy
Would anyone like to debate where Ayn Rand would fall on this? I have found a couple examples placing her at the center of the Libertarian/Right and another placing her more so at the farthest point of the Libertarian/Right.
As well, I would encourage a discussion on the understanding of Ayn's view on Libertarians as in comparison to Objectivism and I do wish to know anyone's understanding of romantic realism to a deeper degree. The latter perhaps deserves it's own post.
As well, I would encourage a discussion on the understanding of Ayn's view on Libertarians as in comparison to Objectivism and I do wish to know anyone's understanding of romantic realism to a deeper degree. The latter perhaps deserves it's own post.
SOURCE URL: http://politicalcompass.org/test
If you want to know what Ayn Rand "would" say, just read what she DID say. Read "The Virtue of Selfishness" and "Capitalism: the Unknown Ideal" and "Philosophy: Who Needs It" and "The Romantic Manifesto" and "The Anti-Industrial Revolution." You can find the Objectivist Newsletter, the Objectivist, and the Ayn Rand Letter in your library or via your local library's InterLibrary Loan ("I-L-L").
You want to know romantic realism to a deeper degree, but deeper compared to what? Have you read "The Romantic Manifesto"?
I hadn't came across the The Romantic Manifesto in any of my reading yet but I will be sure to locate it. Thank you. I had came across her views somewhere discussing romantic realism and how she wrote the way she saw man should be which is the way I believe I write my characters. Though I didn't quite understand how this is so different from romanticism. I'm sure this can be answer in her work though.
Both of the latter authoritarian constructs are based on a two-class society of the elite and the commoners. We are gravitating toward the "bread and circuses" model here in the U.S., with the idea of a common level of just enough material wealth to keep people satisfied just enough to tolerate obedience to an elitist-controlled central authority.
Objectivism is in another dimension, based on a society of worth, where one's freedom and material wealth is whatever you're willing to make the effort to achieve. This is entirely different from the authoritarian-anarchist spectrum, which is based on a model of state power.
If political tests are interesting to you, the one created by Pew Research probably yields more accurate results:
http://www.people-press.org/typology/qui...
The rest is, as Rabbi Hillel wrote, commentary.
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the libertarian movement is not a complete philosophy. It starts with the axiom of non-aggression principle. But this fails without an understanding of property rights. It's actually a step backwards from Locke's axiom I own myself. Libertarianism is indifferent to Reason. Indifferent to A is A. so, irrational concepts might fly.
what's currently in the works? a roller derby short documentary? I would love to watch!
Would it be honest for this person to copy something you have designed, invented, composed or written, and claim it as their own, or,
to acknowledge the source but use it for their own purposes and gain without permission?
If they act out of mistaken belief is it then ok?
Going further than your example, if this person had a slave, some presumption of force can be assumed -so not 'peaceful'. Or if they stole from others, again not honest, then, are you entitled to use force to protect or recompense the victim? Under objectivism, there may be no obligation, but may you? May force be used to protect property or to recover stolen property? Does you answer depend on whether it is yours or another's property?
My son and I have this philosophical conversation alot. It's an important one. Consider reading David Kelley's excellent paper on Hayek vs rand. happy to discuss it with you if you're interested!
http://www.atlassociety.org/hayek-ayn-ra...
this is on epistemology, but he takes it all the way up through political/economic freedom. What we're getting to here is a discussion on the limits of reason.
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/libert...
"Libertarianism: the perversion of liberty" by Henry Binswanger here:
https://estore.aynrand.org/p/509/liberta...
The reason why Rand was opposed to the LP is that libertarians are SUBJECTIVISTS, not Objectivists. They want the political liberty to whatever pops into their heads (as long as no one else gets hurt). Objectivism teaches the morality of man qua man, i.e., objective values based on reason and reality.
It hasn't been easy for me to understand all of Ayn Rand's philosophy even after reading it and agreeing with most of it. Perhaps it is much more simple than I perceive it. Though I do not feel it is or I am just over-analyzing it. I might be looking for something deeper to understand and shall just continue to read as much of her writing as I can until I feel like I have accomplished that craving.
"Reason is the faculty that identifies and integrates the material provided by man’s senses." (in “The Objectivist Ethics,” in The Virtue of Selfishness) "Reason integrates man’s perceptions by means of forming abstractions or conceptions, thus raising man’s knowledge from the perceptual level, which he shares with animals, to the conceptual level, which he alone can reach. The method which reason employs in this process is logic—and logic is the art of non-contradictory identification." (in “Faith and Force: The Destroyers of the Modern World,” in Philosophy: Who Needs It).
Ayn Rand goes into far more detail in "Introduction to the Objectivist Epistemology."
(Also, you may need new friends.)
I also agree with several other comments that the axes used aren't representative of a valid comparison. I would posit the following axes:
Universalism vs Relativism. This one would plot how strongly one believes that laws are absolute and apply to everyone equally or whether laws are conditional to the circumstances or person.
Autonomy vs Collectivism. This one is all about which is more important: the individual or society as a whole.
Capitalism vs Socialism. This one is an index regarding market forces vs government intervention and who should run the economy.
Rand complained that the LP "stole my ideas without giving me credit." If you can find a copy of Hospers' campaign book, "Libertarianism", you can evaluate that claim by counting the footnotes which cite Rand's books. It's been awhile since I did that count; I don't think it *quite* reached four figures. . .