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Movies with an Objectivist Theme

Posted by Itheliving 5 years, 5 months ago to Movies
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Name as many as you can that I have missed. Not counting Atlas Shrugged or The Fountainhead OK here is one just now available on BluRay
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  • Posted by $ jlc 5 years, 5 months ago
    Not a movie, but do not forget Babylon 5. There are some worthy scenes in that show.

    Jan
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    • Posted by robertmbeard 5 years, 5 months ago
      B5 is my all-time favorite. So many story threads and arcs throughout the 5 seasons. And the made for TV movies were pretty good too...
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      • Posted by $ jlc 5 years, 5 months ago
        I have avoided them because I like the show so much - and the movies were pretty much panned. You think they were worth seeing?

        Jan
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        • Posted by robertmbeard 5 years, 5 months ago
          Of the 5 movies, the 2 best were "Thirdspace" and "A Call to Arms." "Thirdspace" is essentially about opening a strange new hypergate that has some really evil aliens on the other side. "A Call to Arms" basically is the launching point for the follow-on TV series "Crusade." Both movies have a lot of action, the bad aliens are clearly bad, and the good guys are heroes...
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          • Posted by $ jlc 5 years, 5 months ago
            I will overturn my prior advice and look them up. Maybe watch one tonight - I feel like revisiting that universe.

            Did you see Jupiter Ascending? It was a good movie in its own right and it showed what a remake of B5 could be!!

            Jan
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            • Posted by robertmbeard 5 years, 5 months ago
              I did see "Jupiter Ascending" and thought it was good. The Marvel movie "Thor" (2011) was written, in part, by J. Michael Straczynski, the author and creator of Babylon 5. He does a great job at character-driven screenplays where good ultimately triumphs over evil...
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              • Posted by $ jlc 5 years, 5 months ago
                I agree on Straczynski's writing; second only to Whedon for quality. Please see the thread I just started on a remake of B5. This conversation inspired me (and I am taking all of the credit! MWahahahaha!)

                Jan, chortling maniacally
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  • Posted by $ ObjectiveAnalyst 5 years, 5 months ago
    Hello Itheliving,
    I saw one the other night that had some 'objectivistish" aspects. Magic in the Moonlight, with Emma Stone, Colin Firth... It was about a magician that only believed in empirical evidence and went about exposing fraud of psychics and their mysticism. It was a romantic comedy and the magician was almost taken in by one particular psychic. I don't want to give away too much. :)
    http://www.fandango.com/magicinthemoonli...

    One more: Executive Suite, William Holden...
    The climactic scene.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcEOsGvT...

    Respectfully,
    O.A.
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    • Posted by $ Stormi 5 years, 5 months ago
      Absolutely, Executive Suite, excellent movie. The Young Philadelphans with Paul Newman. Also, a lot of the old westerns were about independent men who stood for hard work and independent thought. Going way back, the Dragnet theatrical movie.
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      • Posted by 5 years, 5 months ago
        The Dragnet movie. The orginal one from Jack Webb or the newer one with Tom Hanks?
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        • Posted by $ Stormi 5 years, 5 months ago
          Jack Webb, of course.He believed in the law being obeyed. Hanks is a liberal.
          Jimmy Stewart and Clark Gable also played characters who did not bend to the world, but lived by personal ethics and hard work. I loved Liz Taylor's scene in Giant when she had a fit over the men not letting the womenfolk talk politics
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          • Posted by ohiocrossroads 5 years, 5 months ago
            Yes, good movies with Jimmy Stewart and Clark Gable:
            Thunder Bay. Jimmy Stewart plays an oil driller out to prove that offshore drilling in the Gulf of Mexico would work.
            Boom Town. Clark Gable and Spencer Tracy play oil wildcatters searching for oil in Texas.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 5 years, 5 months ago
    A film with Sigourney Weaver and Harrison Ford called I believe, "Working Girl" (not sure of title). A woman with imagination and talent gets it over one who is a second-hander relying more on sex than talent.
    A real, real oldie with Alec Guinness "The Man In The White Suit." In which a chemistry genius is exploited when he invents a fabric that can be cut and tailored but is virtually indestructible.
    One that many of you might argue with me about, is the Cary Grant Character in "North By Northwest." In my opinion, Hitchcock's greatest film. And, how about Anna, in "Anna and the King of Siam?"
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  • Posted by Darcie 5 years, 5 months ago
    The Wall (Pink Floyd). It is a modern day (mid-70's) Moby Dick. It includes personal ascension, personal dergradation, and personal redemption. Pink starts hollow and comes out whole after tearing down the Wall. He broke on through to the other side.
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  • Posted by salta 5 years, 5 months ago
    The novelist/screenwriter James Clavell was an advocate for capitalism and free markets, which comes across in all of his work.
    Try the movie "King Rat" (1965 B&W) about a free market operating in a prison camp, and the epic Shogun (TV mini series) about an Englishman surviving in a strange land using only his wits and intelligence. Both novels are excellent.
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  • Posted by Vinay 5 years, 5 months ago
    I normally hate Bollywood. I shudder to even call it art. The acting is inevitably poor and I hate the way adults are made to act like kids.

    This film (translation: Colour me Saffron), Rang De Basanti, was made with just US$4.0 million in 2006. Yes, sorry, nine years old.

    It’s a bit too long (129 minutes) and the first half drags; that half is very poor with many hackneyed scenes. But stick with it. (The Blu Ray DVD, it has English subtitles).

    There is a twist in the plot. A twist that is unpredictable and amazing, yet perfectly logical in hindsight—that elusive Holy Grail for writers. The second half left my jaw on the floor.

    This is one of the most Romanticist movies ever made. Multi-protagonist stories are hard enough to write, but this has four journeys that integrate into one story.

    I had stopped watching the DVD. My wife kept going. I went past the TV, saw the turn, I realized what the screenwriter (Renzil D’Silva) had done; the penny dropped. I could visualize the rest of the story after that, yet I could not leave it.

    It would be a hell of a case study for a screenwriting class. It’s mind-boggling how a single incident can turn an entire narrative on its head. My jaw is still on the floor. Time to pick it up and start writing.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 5 years, 5 months ago
    Everyone here picked the movies that I would have chosen. So, I'll have to to a TV Western series: Have Gun Will Travel. That was the first time I had seen a character with a profit motive.
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  • Posted by elstonc 5 years, 5 months ago
    Thank you for the heads-up on the film, "Agora," fellow gulchers. I ordered it straight away. As for me, the first film that came to mind was, "Cyrano de Bergerac," made in 1950 and starring Jose Ferrer. It was one of many film adaptations of the Edmond Roston play, which I believe Rand liked.
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  • Posted by XenokRoy 5 years, 5 months ago
    I watch some movies but about all I am thinking of is the earlier Pixar movies for main stream movies.

    Most today have far more socialism or some other form of collectivism in the forms of rewards and work rather than individualism and the power of the mind.

    I was fan of comic books until my late twenties and then stopped buying them, but rather like the superhero moves. They often have a mix of objectivism and some form of collectivism in them.

    The first Ironman was more objectivism oriented where the other two much less so. It still had the altruistic aspect of weapons manufacturing bad, giving away free power to the masses good, which shoots it down.

    Can anyone think of a superhero movie that is objective at its heart?
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    • Posted by $ jlc 5 years, 5 months ago
      I think that you are correct about the first Ironman being pro-individual and pro-technology. (Note how many superheroes are fabulously wealthy in their mundane life - this is pretty much part of the archetype by this time.) I will say, though, that I have always considered 'medicine' to be an ethical getoutofjailfree card. Even if you do something that is ultimately wrong, you have a smooth ethical path to follow.

      Making munitions is just the opposite. Were I in charge of Stark weapons systems, I would have to spend a lot of time thinking about the uses to which my product would be put, and how to track every item I sold so I knew who was using it. (This gets complex when you consider resales.)

      While we all agree that Capitalism is the most productive path that humanity can follow, many bad things (and stupid things) have been done by Capitalists. It is the right path, but everyone who walks it is not someone I would like; indeed, some I would fight against quite diligently.

      Jan
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      • Posted by 5 years, 5 months ago
        Jan, have you seen Our Man Flint and the sequel In Like Flint?
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        • Posted by $ jlc 5 years, 5 months ago
          I have heard of these movies for many years, but I have not seen them. I generally only watch Scifi/Fantasy movies. I have probably missed some movies I would really like by doing this.

          Jan
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          • Posted by XenokRoy 5 years, 5 months ago
            Hilights of good ones

            Batman Returns (1st of the new ones)
            Very true to the comics and I would argue Objectivist in nature

            Dark NIght: but they screwed the character of batman

            The first Toby McGwirer (spelling bad I think) spiderman.

            All of the captain America Movies. Captain America is great and well done in these.

            Both Avengers Movies. Scarlet Witch is my favorite Avenger and they did an excellent job bringing her into the moves in the second one.

            Guardians of the Galaxy is extremely entertaining

            First Iron Man is excellent, but the rest are just not worth the time.

            The X-Men Movies (this was my favorite comic book series) have not been nearly good enough for me, though the very first one was a good movie but not what the X-Men could or should be. the rest I keep watching hopeful that Fox will do it right, but they never have. If they ever do it right it would be objectivist philosophy verses various groups that practice some form of collectivist philosophy. About the closest thing to it in comic book land.

            I would bet a few I am not thinking of right now too.
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            • Posted by $ jlc 5 years, 5 months ago
              Captain America: Winter Soldier is the film with a message closest to my heart. One of Steve Roger's secret super powers is to turn grey into black and white.

              Jan
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              • Posted by XenokRoy 5 years, 5 months ago
                So True. That one should definitely make the list. Has some great lines

                *****
                Sam Wilson: Hey, Cap, how do we know the good guys from the bad guys?

                Steve Rogers: If they're shooting at you, they're bad.

                *****


                Steve Rogers: Attention all S.H.I.E.L.D. agents, this is Steve Rogers. You're heard a lot about me over the last few days. Some of you were even ordered to hunt me down. But I think it's time to tell the truth. S.H.I.E.L.D. is not what we thought it was. It's been taken over by HYDRA. Alexander Pierce is their leader. The S.T.R.I.K.E. and Insight crew are HYDRA as well. I don't know how many more, but I know they're in the building. They could be standing right next to you. They almost have what they want. Absolute control. They shot Nick Fury. And it won't end there. If you launch those helicarriers today, HYDRA will be able to kill anyone that stands in their way. Unless we stop them. I know I'm asking a lot. But the price of freedom is high. It always has been. And it's a price I'm willing to pay. And if I'm the only one, then so be it. But I'm willing to bet I'm not.

                Sam Wilson: Did you write that down first, or was it off the top off your head?
                *****
                and perhaps my favorites from the show:



                Nick Fury: These new long range precision guns can eliminate a thousand hostiles a minute. The satellites can read a terrorist's DNA before he steps outside his spider hole. We gonna neutralize a lot of threats before they even happen.

                Steve Rogers: I thought the punishment usually came *after* the crime.

                Nick Fury: We can't afford to wait that long.

                Steve Rogers: Who's "we"?

                Nick Fury: After New York, I convinced the World Security Council we needed a quantum surgeon threat analysis. For once we're way ahead of the curve.

                Steve Rogers: By holding a gun at everyone on Earth and calling it protection.

                Nick Fury: You know, I read those SSR files. Greatest generation? You guys did some nasty stuff.

                Steve Rogers: Yeah, we compromised. Sometimes in ways that made us not sleep so well. But we did it so the people could be free. This isn't freedom, this is fear.

                Nick Fury: S.H.I.E.L.D. takes the world as it is, not as we'd like to be. And it's getting damn near past time for you get with that program, Cap.

                Steve Rogers: Don't hold your breath.
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            • Posted by $ jlc 5 years, 5 months ago
              One of the things that was remarkable about the first (and second too - but more startling in the first) Avengers movie was that the two Avengers without super powers had as effective a role as the demigods that make up the rest of the team. I thought it was superb when Black Widow interviewed Loki and he got the best of her - so NOT!
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      • Posted by $ Maritimus 5 years, 5 months ago
        Hello, Jan,

        The last time I checked, socialists, communists, fascists, thieves and parasites walk, in spite of pants, skirts, tuxedoes or bikinis. All od them have nothing to do with capitalism. Capitalism did not cause their appearance, did not create their moral codes or their whim of the moment attitudes. Capitalism is not a blueprint for designing human beings. It is the most advanced socio-political system ever invented. The most advanced, because it is the one by far most compatible with the fundamental human nature and the one most conducive to the cravings for life and survival, freedom of thought and action and the multidimensional pursuits of happiness.

        Somehow, I thought that your description blamed capitalism for human stupidity and wrongdoing. Nothing could be further from the truth.

        I hope that you agree.

        All the best.
        Sincerely,
        Maritimus
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        • Posted by $ jlc 5 years, 5 months ago
          Huh? Nothing could be further from my mind. I stated that Capitalism is the most productive path we have ever taken. But we were talking about rich super heroes and I was specifically addressing Stark Industries.

          Just because you are a Capitalist does not mean that you are good or that your business practices are ethical. The whole foundation of the first Iron Man movie was that his munitions were now being used by terrorists - who then caught Tony as a big bonus prize.

          My spinoff from this was that it is easier to just do good if you are healing people; if you are making munitions you really have your job cut out for you to be sure that you are not inadvertently doing evil.

          Jan
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    • Posted by Herb7734 5 years, 5 months ago
      How about golden to silver age Superman? As a matter of fact, most of the superheroes of those eras were good, solid idols. No anti-heroes, no troubled teens, just good old Dick Tracy VS the bad guys.
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  • Posted by conscious1978 5 years, 5 months ago
    Open Range - a western with Robert Duval, Kevin Costner, and Annette Bening.

    In a scene where Boss and Charlie face the corrupt marshal in the crowded town diner...

    Boss Spearman (Duval): "And we'll be having more than that with you, Marshal."

    Marshal Poole: "No need to make the café messy...with folks. I've got a warrant sworn out for your arrest for assaulting Baxter's men."

    Boss Spearman: "We got a warrant sworn for attempted murder for them that tried to kill the boy who's laying over there at the doc's. Swore out another one for them that murdered the big fellow you had in your cell. Only ours ain't writ by no tin star bought and paid for, Marshal. It's writ by us. And we aim to enforce it."

    Marshal Poole: "Is that so?"

    Boss Spearman: "We got no quarrel with none of you folks. Baxter's men bushwhacked our friend and shot him dead. Shot a sixteen-year-old boy, too. And clubbed him so hard...he might not live. Tried to take our cattle.

    Your marshal here ain't gonna do nothing about it. You don't like free grazers in this town. We don't much like being here. But a man's got a right to protect his property and his life. And we ain't letting no rancher or his lawman take either. We got no intention of harming bystanders."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4werfN6f...
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  • Posted by $ Flootus5 5 years, 5 months ago
    I would add the classic movie Shane. If only for the dialogue from Alan Ladd explaining why a gun is not evil. Short, sweet, and so much truth!
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