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TSA can't do the security job

Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 11 months ago to Government
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as usual, the bureaucracy is poor at threat detection.
is this another post office? -- j
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SOURCE URL: http://absoluterights.com/it-seems-the-tsa-is-not-much-good-at-bomb-detection/

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  • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 11 months ago
    This article is full of conditionals, and presents opinion, not evidence. It basically boils down to: TSA subcontracts Preventative Maintenance and does not run Quality Control tests on its own. This does not mean that the instruments and processes do not work, just that you can substantiate you have followed a commendable SOP to verify their operation.

    I do not endorse TSA, but the important matter that this article addresses should be handled in a more logical fashion.

    Jan, MT(ASCP) - did a lot of PM and QC in her day
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    • Posted by khalling 8 years, 11 months ago
      Agreed. Emotive.
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      • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 11 months ago
        You would have done a far better job of reporting this.

        Jan
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        • Posted by khalling 8 years, 11 months ago
          lol. probably not. If there is one issue I love to emote about, it's the TSA. It does seem alot of these articles we are reading within the last couple of years have adopted this style of writing.
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          • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 11 months ago
            Ha. I do not think you would be capable of writing an article that did not address facts as well as opinions. (I might be incorrect when I cite facts, but I base my opinions on them - or state to the contrary. See your above statement for evidence that you operate in a similar manner.)

            Jan, occasionally acts on spidy sense
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    • Posted by waytodude 8 years, 11 months ago
      If I'm not mistaken an ISO 9001 would cover both PM and QC issues.
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      • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 11 months ago
        Maybe. ISO just says "Write down what you say you will do, and then show evidence you did it." That does nothing in itself for PM or QC.
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        • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 11 months ago
          This is what we have found in the medical industry: ISO 15189 says: have written procedures and document that you follow them.

          Jan
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          • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 11 months ago
            They should hire a company to do the screening and measure them on audited security performance (denominator) and passenger satisfaction (numerator). Incentive fee, based on maximizing this value.
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            • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 11 months ago
              Geeze, Thoritsu. Can you just stop being reasonable and rational? You are coming up with plans that would Work! Please study your 'Government Dysfunctionality Manual v87.2' and try again.

              Jan
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              • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 11 months ago
                It is so interesting that people supporting the socialist progressives do not associate the behavior of the TSA (or other agencies) to government, and continue to support more power to the government. The biggest lie of the progressives is that they can fix it with more government.

                The feature people find so abhorrent in capitalists is so controllable to reach an objective it is like fish in a barrel. However, these people don't want to leverage this powerful, inherent force to achieve a goal. They prefer to design a Rube Goldberg government contraption.

                One approach I use with people I'm arguing with to get them to come around is to ask if they prefer sail boats or motor boats. (Typically you can tell the bias). When they say sail boats, I ask them why they then chose to apply motorboat features to government, rather than just leveraging the wind. This often precipitates an interesting discussion.
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        • Posted by waytodude 8 years, 11 months ago
          In getting a company in compliance I've personally seen that setting up standards and showing evidence that said standards are met and or exceeded in PM and QC in manufacturing environments which in turn could be translated into other environments. If one sets standards and proves they are done success can be achieved. But this is government work to me the question should be can they handle it.
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          • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 11 months ago
            I have no doubt that it is possible, just that ISO 9001 by itself is inadequate. Also agree that a government agency is unlikely to perform to an objective beyond next year's funding.
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          • Posted by teri-amborn 8 years, 11 months ago
            The difference between industry and government is the difference between food and poison.
            The goal of industry is to produce efficiently and create time hence profits.
            The goal of government is to waste as many resources as possible including time and to annihilate efficiency and competency whenever they see it SO THAT there is more "funding" next year because the manager has shown a "need".
            Production vs. thievery....that's why government can't do anything correctly. It would be self-destructive.
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            • Posted by waytodude 8 years, 11 months ago
              That's why I put in my statement can they handle it. I know most here could go along way in fixing government however a complete overhaul which the establishment would not allow. I was only giving an example of how this one part of our current system could be repaired.

              I do agree with your view on why my idea wouldn't work.

              Wonder if I will see a time when greater minds will prevail and America becomes what it once was.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago
    If I was king, I would disband the TSA, the DEA, and probably a few more agencies (probably a big part of the IRS, and for sure the DOT) on my first day- before I was killed by either the cartel or the government DEA people. I would let the airlines do their own security- they have the most to lose
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  • Posted by GaryL 8 years, 11 months ago
    Is this a surprise? I retired after 27 years in a state prison system and was a weapons instructor and training academy trainer and just turned 50. Back in 2002 when the TSA first got running I applied for a job and was rejected because they wanted to train their people their way. I guess they didn't want retired cops and correction supervisors who know a few things about security.
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    • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 11 months ago
      Well, hello, GaryL. Old dino retired as an annually trained corrections officer of 21 years back in 2003 and have worked for 4 different private security companies since, now fully retired (if for now).
      Most people do not realize how huge the security industry is and how highly competitive it is.
      I've worked all kinds of posts and the number one concern has always been losing a contract to another security firm.
      I've seen this winning and losing of contracts happen a lot.
      I've also seen it keep security supervisors and officers on their toes.
      TSA personnel does not have this sort of pressure on them at all.
      Come to think of it, I've seen some sorry state corrections officers with lazy attitudes.
      One such character even made sergeant just before I retired.
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      • Posted by GaryL 8 years, 11 months ago
        Like any other job ALL, reduce the standards to hire more people and the slugs come out of the woodwork! I trained far too many in weapons safety and range qualification who should never have been allowed to hold a gun! My department got to the point all you needed was a heart beat to qualify and I got out!
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        • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 11 months ago
          I recall "a warm body on a post" as something I would mutter to myself.
          Toward the end of my DOC career, it was not unusual for me to be in a day room filled with inmates while the watching officer up in the glass-enclosed cubical was nodding off due to mandatory overtime sleep deprivation.
          I lost count of the times I had to tap glass with the tip of my stick.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 11 months ago
    TSA doesn't work. Why? It's easy to understand. Israel's screening works. Use that as an example. Why does it work? PROFILING, you idiots!
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    • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 11 months ago
      It really isn't near as much about profiling as studying body language and looking for tells. Those people are even faster at getting people through security than all the gizmos employed by TSA and far more effective - not a single terrorist has ever gotten on a plane flown out of Tel Aviv.
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      • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 11 months ago
        Isn't studying body language and tells a form of profiling? Either way, whatever you call it -- it works. Why can't we use that example and train our people in a method that actually works?
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        • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 11 months ago
          I guess I was thinking of "profiling" using the more generic PC term which focuses on ethnicity. My apologies if you meant it in a more tactical sense.

          I completely agree that we should also be using what works. My only supposition is that the TSA is infatuated with lots of cool tech and stupid people instead of just using smart people. That would kind of fit how government operates...
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  • Posted by Technocracy 8 years, 11 months ago
    Scarcely a surprise, the simply unionized and rehired the same incompetents that were there before. Plus added a bunch more that got through the hiring process with the proper PC answers. Supervised by the politically connected.

    Security??? yeah right

    Wonder how many sex offenders got hired as pat down artists.
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  • Posted by gafisher 8 years, 11 months ago
    "TSA" is a misnomer; their job isn't security, it's a support role for social engineering. And they do that job passably well.
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    • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 11 months ago
      well, they "social engineered" me into submission
      when I stood up on the running floor of a golf cart
      which carried me and my wife to the gate, to take
      a photo of her waving 'bye. . finally, they admitted
      that they didn't want me to fall off and sue them.
      dolts. -- j
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  • Posted by nln1219 8 years, 11 months ago
    Our Government screws up more than the Chicago Cubs...I outta know...I am not just a Vet...I'm a Cubs fan. I don't think our Government would know what to do with a sack o poop...set it on fire or ring the doorbell...all they do is run, and they don't do that well.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 11 months ago
    The only real threat to our security is the state itself. TSA needs to be abolished yesterday and not replaced with anything.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago
    We have looters and moochers, witch doctors and war lords. Now add something new to the list referred to by Rand but I don't think named.

    Grubbers. The nasty little grubs that root around doing the bidding of whomever. Some call them apparatchiks, some fellow travelers, some bureaucrats. I'm proposing grubs or grubbers.The one's that serve the party - and themselves.
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