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Survey! How Many Gulchers Have Gone On to Read Rand Since Coming to This Site?

Posted by khalling 9 years, 11 months ago to Philosophy
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You saw the Atlas Shrugged movies and you found the Gulch. You picked up the book, Atlas Shrugged and learned of a philosophy of life that explained how you've always felt but did not know how to completely articulate. Or-you hadn't read AS in years and were inspired by the movies to pick it up and read it again. Wait! Don't go yet! I want you to also let us know if you have read any of Rand's non-fiction since you landed in the Gulch. But wait! I'd also like to know if you have ventured to other Objectivist scholarly sites after learning about them here (seeing a video or clicking a link which was a cite). Looking forward to your responses.

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  • Posted by ProfChuck 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "How do you approach quantum mechanics as an objectivist?"
    As it turns out this is a remarkably important question and it strikes at the very heart of how do we come to "know" things

    As I understand it objectivism is based on two fundamental and essential assumptions;
    a) Objective reality exists.
    b) It is possible to recognize it when confronted with it.
    Classical physics is deterministic while quantum physics is probabilistic. Actually that is a gross oversimplification but it does illustrate at least part of the difference between the two scientific disciplines. The problem is that both classical and quantum physics have survived countless experimental verifications and yet they are, or at least appear to be, in direct conflict with one another. An example is the wave-particle duality problem. It can be argued that for a lens to work light must be a wave and cannot be a particle and for film to work light must be a particle and cannot be a wave. And yet cameras work, Why? The conflict between classical and quantum physics is filled with such seeming contradictions.
    In the case of classical physics we can predict the positions of the planets with any desired degree of precision at any point in time in the future or past. In the case of quantum physics we cannot predict when an atom in a radio isotope will decay except in terms of statistical probability functions. What's worse, the simple act of observing isotope decay alters the decay rate. In the case of quantum physics the act of observing alters the thing being observed regardless of how the observations are performed. How does one reconcile that with objective reality.
    Objectivism for a quantum physicist is difficult.
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  • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Wow, I'm glad you have him questioning his philosophy... It blows my mind that he can't wrap his mind around the fact that socialism is anti life! Forehead flick time.. ;-) I'm glad he engages, and recognizes your arguments are logic based, not petulant outrage based.
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  • Posted by Riftsrunner 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It was difficult, but I felt ownership of the network I ran(I help to install it and made recommendations), so I could relate to John Galt. The job was quite fulfilling until they changed my supervisor, who preferred one of he friends over me and he conspired with HR to get me fired. NEVER USE OFFICE E-MAIL TO GET THE IT PERSON FIRED, WE CAN ACCESS IT. Got a nice settlement for hostile workplace and got HR supervisor fired. CEO/owner has become Jesus freak and has mandatory prayer meetings now, so kind of happy to be away.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 11 months ago
    I have to admit, I saw (Jimmy Stewart) and read the Fountainhead years ago. I was aware of Ayn Rand, but not in detail. Didn't really understand the Fountainhead, partially due to my youth when I read it. When the First AS movie came out, I grabbed it, and became an instant Randian. All uphill from there.
    Looking, waiting, hoping for the third movie, I came across the movie site, and it led me here.

    Still have a broken "no longer fiction" coffee cup that the site didn't make good on!

    My thanks to you all for the various education, insightful discussion and camaraderie.
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  • Posted by kevinw 9 years, 11 months ago
    I grew up in a religious household. The denomination where we were right and everybody else was wrong. You know that one? The sermons were 10% bible and 90% why everybody else was wrong about it. Bad things only happen because your faith is not strong enough. And all the guilt that that implies.

    8 or 9 years ago my quest to find and learn Objectivism began with the question "if there is no god, where would morality come from?" I had heard Hannity or Rush or someone make their standard statement that there could be no morality without god and I just couldn't fall for it any longer. I had to ask myself that question out loud, several times before it finally sank in that I really needed to find out.

    As a fan and daily reader of the Peoples Cube I had noticed a lot of references to atlas shrugging in the satirical commentary at the time and I went searching for information. I found the book, ordered it, fell out of my chair when it arrived and was 1200 pages, and proceeded to read it. Every spare moment that book was in my hands for three months. I read slowly but life was busier then, too. I passed it on to my wife and children and proceeded to devour everything I could find by Ayn Rand and the Ayn Rand Institute which had I discovered while looking for her non-fiction works. Morality, minus the guilt. Now that's freedom.

    I think I found out about the movies being made from a kickstarter notification and I have been a producer ever since. I've only recently become more active in the Gulch and constantly find myself looking through my collection of Rand's books for references on different subjects. I have also been poking around on the Atlas Society page on occasion. Thank you for the recommendation and the link. Oh, and the video just the other day.

    And thank you for not letting me pawn my ideas off on you to post. :)
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hello K,
    I just read aloud to my bride your original inquiry, my comment and your reply to me. She just smiled. I'm such a lucky guy to have such loves.
    Your friend,
    O.A.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    we have so been importantly following you from the start. actually, you were here before me. since I met you-I cannot imagine a world without you. I ,and a number of other friends of mine, would never make a move without talking to you. you have no idea how much I love you. tell the bride so there is full disclosure
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  • Posted by jimslag 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I started The Fountainhead but like I said, I am way behind in my reading. I spend to much time on the computer.
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  • Posted by $ puzzlelady 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We exchanged a few words. It's not like I was in her "collective". After the lecture, which she presented in person, unlike the later sessions that were on tape, some of us were able to come up and meet her, flanked by her husband and Branden. She wore black. I asked her, "Does your husband agree with everything you say?" She looked at me with those incredible eyes and said, "Of course! He has to!" We all smiled and I thanked her. Then other people crowded in and no one wanted to leave. So yes, I met her, once, within 6 feet.

    The following year I left my husband. Ayn never knew how her seemingly simple remark, into which one can read a Universe of depth, had liberated me, literally saved my life and opened the future I have achieved. I did continue to have a one-degree-of-separation relationship, however: her attorney, Charles Sures, was also mine. He drew up my company's incorporation papers and later saved us from being destroyed by a malevolent partner. Moreover, Charles and his wife, Mary Ann, took some ballroom dance lessons with me in Washington, DC. (I taught dancing for 30 years.) The threads never end.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Atlas Society has posted some wonderful videos on youtube recently that are worth checking out.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wish Rand had had the time to put more of philosophy in a systematic manner, instead of just collecting related articles.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    WOW what an endorsement for the audio version - I have not listened to it.

    Today we listened to Rand's West Point speech read by someone else and put to music - it was awesome.
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