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The Jade Helm Hysteria

Posted by xthinker88 10 years, 7 months ago to News
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This Jade Helm nonsense is paranoid hysteria. It would be hysterical if it weren’t so sad. I’ve posted the above article because I find it fairly well reasoned and reasonable – from an otherwise conspiracy site.
1. The military has always done large scale exercises in the U.S. Pre-WW2 there were famous maneuvers in Louisiana involving combined arms including armored forces. Was Patton practicing to invade the US? No, he was practicing to fight in Europe. It’s just that the Europeans would have objected vehemently to using their land as training ground.
2. Where else would they do them? And some of the primary missions of SOCOM are counter insurgency, insurgency, and direct action. The last two involve a high percentage of scenarios where personnel might find themselves stranded in hostile territory. So where should they train?
3. They have ongoing training exercises involving their insurgency mission as well. For decades they've run op Robin sage (I think it's called) in NC where the SF teams actually train locals to be guerrillas. Unlike in TX, where whackos seem to be coming out of the woodwork, the people in the Robin Sage AO actually enjoy participating in the exercise and some are “regulars”. Either playing the role of guerrilla trainees, informants, or noncombatants. Does this operation mean the US military is planning to conduct guerrilla warfare in the US?
4. I personally participated in a large exercise involving most of the east coast, divided into multiple hostile and friendly areas. For me, as a lowly LT, it ultimately involved spending a few uncomfortable nights in the swamps of Camp Lejeune kicking the USMC opfor’s butt (at least that’s how I remember it and I’m sticking to it.  )
5. That brings me to one of the missions revealed in the map – the JOAX. Forced entry and seizure of a hostile airfield is one of the primary missions of the 82nd Airborne Division along with the 75th Ranger Regiment. It is regularly practiced as it would form the basis of entry into a hostile or less than friendly environment. It looks like a JOAX is explicitly located on this map. It looks to me like that black box that shows the area for it includes Lackland AFB and/or Randolph AFB. That’s what they do folks – they parachute in a “seize” an airfield – usually on an existing AFB or Army base. That’s called training.
6. When you are training to run operations over a wide geographical area (like Afghanistan, or the Middle East), at some point you need to practice running operations over a wide geographical area. I imagine that, for example, they will station the command elements in the blue areas on the map but need to run the operations in the red areas. There is no substitute for actual geographical distance when that is what you are training for. I suspect that a lot of this will be a “paper” exercise. Although those are now done through computer simulations. So, for example, there may be some operations (like the JOAX), or maybe a hostage rescue (the CRF event) that are carried out by actual forces against other active duty forces playing OPFOR. But there might also be a lot of simulated operations also being performed (airstrikes, other raids and conventional force deployments) that are only done on the computer. The goal of positioning command elements in remote places is to make the simulations appear as real as possible inside their operations centers.
7. I'm skeptical of the conspiracy folks for another huge reason. While I have argued on this site that rank and file soldiers and marines would be more than willing to follow order and fire on Americans depending on how those Americans are being portrayed, I do not think the same of special operations types. Of all the military, if it came to a crack down on us, I think special forces types would likely side with the patriots against the government. They are all smart and trained to operate independently. In addition, I know a bunch of Specops folks. I don’t know any that have any respect for Obama. Those on active duty cannot express it – but that doesn’t mean they are just going to follow orders and conduct a military takeover on his behalf either. Not just follow orders. It would be the everyday soldiers and marines that would follow orders and fire on Americans.
8. I have yet to see one conspiracy theorist that has proposed one plausible or even semi-realistic scenario as to how these troops could accomplish the alleged objectives of a military takeover. In addition, there aren't enough Specops types out there to conquer Texas. Especially when some significant number of them would go over to the side of the Texans.
9. A minor point but the fact that they put the 15 on the end of Jade Helm indicates to me that they've done jade helm exercises in previous years.
Alex Jones is the white Al Sharpton. And this is his Tawana Brawley. This gulch is dedicated to reason. Keep your wits about you folks and don’t give in to the hysteria. There are enough real threats to our liberty out there.


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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "So ultimately this conspiracy idea fails on all three counts - motive, opportunity, and means."

    Disagree. Obama has stated his "motive," the fundamental transformation of the US; He has the "opportunity," being CIC of the armed forces; he has the "means," exemplified by the JH15 exercises. That paradigm is only looking for a "false flag" or other event to bring the motive, opportunity and means together.
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  • Posted by straightlinelogic 10 years, 7 months ago
    I'll take, for argument's sake, every word in your link and your comment as true. However, now that I'm assuming the troops are training for foreign intervention, most particularly special operations, the question arises: What kind of foreign intervention? We've racked up quite a string of fiascos stretching back to Vietnam. Is this preparation for a few more in Yemen, Ukraine, Syria, and Iraq? If so, then I find the "truth" no less distressing than the preparation-for-martial-law "hysteria."
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  • Posted by Temlakos 10 years, 7 months ago
    What about the Texas Ranger reporting seeing a prisoner train where the transport cars had shackles on board? Is that a legitimate training asset for Jade Helm? How does the Army expect to deploy that asset abroad?
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  • Posted by $ Terraformer_One 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Can you tell me please, does the purchase of all those hollow point rounds of ammunition sound like satire?

    I am not sure what could happen, but the use of force against succession attempts from the feral(*federal*) government.
    Are you not concerned about the militarized police? Efforts to destroy the 2nd amendment?

    If they want to simulate urban warfare why not continue to use the simulated towns on bases like they use in preparation for foreign countries? What is really happening?

    The intimidation tactics tried by BLM on behalf of senator Harry Reid and his son - efforts to steal the land needed for the creation of a private fortune in the solar panel production facilities deal with the Chinese.



    I would like to shut my eyes and pretend it is just paranoia. But after false flags, similar to the Gulf of Tonkin that lead to American involvement in Vietnam, I like to listen to the official story and then try to find independent corroborating facts, if they have not been classified.
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  • Posted by kevinw 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yeah, thought of that after I posted. Surely not a spur of the moment operation. And, if they keep it close to military bases, as you said, maybe the tension won't get out of hand.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Or maybe it's just a training exercise like the ones the military does all the time for the purposes of training itself for its various missions.

    The hysteria of people has risen to a fevered pitch. It's pretty silly actually. Alex Jones must be laughing at night though.
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  • Posted by $ puzzlelady 10 years, 7 months ago
    Thanks, xthinker88. Until two days ago I had never even seen the term Jade Helm, and all of a sudden it's everywhere. My first thought is that it's a training exercise for fighting in desert regions such as Iran, so they're working up to attacking Iran notwithstanding the nuclear deal that is expected to be agreed to.

    Just as attacking Iraq was planned ahead, just waiting for a pretext, attacking Iran seems to be a foregone conclusion, no matter how wrong, misguided, stupid and self-defeating such a course would be.

    Or maybe they just need to use up all that surplus military equipment they have lying around and keep our boys occupied.

    Or maybe it's to prepare us civilians for getting used to the idea of martial law in case more cities follow Baltimore's example.

    Or maybe it's to extend role playing to battle simulations in the real world.

    All this really freaks me out. Enough already! I sat in Hungarian shelters as the Russians invaded Hungary in 1944. I sat in German bunkers as bombs fell in 1944. I rode my bike through tear gas in 1968 Washington DC. I sat in Shiraz, Iran, as the Islamic Revolution heated up in 1978-1979 and we expats were shipped out on 3 days' notice. Enough already! (I swear I didn't cause any of those!)
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  • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No. I'm betting this exercise has been planned for at least a couple of years. These things are planned long term and on units' training schedules way in advance.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 7 months ago
    Another case of crying wolf and the fedgov will keep doing these exercises in a way that is offensive to liberty until no one listens. That will be the opportune time for martial law to be invoked.
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  • Posted by kevinw 10 years, 7 months ago
    Thank you xthinker88 for this information.

    You posted this while I was working on this reply on khalling's post;
    http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts/2c...
    In comparison, maybe I would buy into the conspiracy easier than I thought but I'm fighting it.

    Do you think the timing for this type and scale of operation might be a little... umm.. odd?
    I have read all of the comments prior to writing this and I'm wondering, considering how close the Bundy ranch was to disaster, how do they prepare for the real bullets that the Texans ( and everybody else) will be carrying. Especially with all the hype going on?

    The Bundy Ranch was one nutjob away from bloodshed and that is just because that nut could not afford a bus ticket from New Mexico or Texas clear to Nevada.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes. When they ride in on At-Ats and Tie fighters, they want to be ready for any Jedi who are going to fight back.

    This IS a site dedicated to reason. So hopefully you were being satirical.
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  • Posted by $ Terraformer_One 10 years, 7 months ago
    Are the FEMA stormtroopers preparing for guerilla warfare tactics to be used against them by those loyal to the Constitution?
    Are they trying to cancel out the home ground advantage?
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  • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And actually, if you go read the orders he gave to the TX State Guard - he basically just made them a liaison/ PR force. Not nearly as dramatic as it's been made out to be.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There aren't going to be large numbers of troops in urban areas. The JOAX location is the main one with the largest actual troop deployment and that looks like Ft Hood. Or maybe a nearby AFB. 1,200 soldiers is a tiny number. There are already over 50,000 stationed at Ft Hood. That AOB Orde Grande on the map looks like about the right spot for Fort Bliss TX or maybe the area between there and Las Cruces NM. And there is a huge national forest where the LSE event is shown in Utah.

    I once air assaulted into the airfield at Ft Knox to defeat some evil red forces situated in northern KY and OH. LOL. We seized the airfield and immediately branched out to the surrounding countryside to expand our hold and deny key terrain to the guerrillas. All of it took place on Ft. Knox.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I never actually thought it would be an exercise that would attempt to subdue or takeover a group of citizens. My beef was the scenario and citizens watching a large number of troops in urban areas. I was always supportive of the training. I never thought the IRS would target people of a certain political persuasion either. But they did. You may think the TX governor is an idiot or maybe he is doing something in support of the military exercises, but actions like he's taking understandably upset people.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh. And if your tip checks out, we will give you $500 reward.

    Of course, at some point in this, ala Orson Welles, they would need to put in a disclaimer that this is part of the training exercise so please don't round up all your good ol' boys and go on a hunt for the evading soldiers.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well they could take it further. All citizens of Texas. Please call this 1-800 if you see any suspicious activity or persons you believe to be related to this Operation Jade Helm. They could then pipeline all tips into the Opfor operations center. Kind of like what an actual enemy government might do right?
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  • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You're welcome. Just all my opinion of course. I could be wrong but I don't think I'm wrong about the main point - which is that this isn't some sort of military takeover.

    ANother way to think about it is as a crime. Motive, Opportunity, and Means.

    Let's assume that Obama has the motive. I don't think the military people share it. But even if they did they have no opportunity. Opportunity in the event of something that drastic would have to probably be a series of really major events to provide the excuse for the takeover. That doesn't exist. Means - I don't think there are enough SF to take over Texas. Especially if they don't share the motive and don't participate or will actively work against the operation. So ultimately this conspiracy idea fails on all three counts - motive, opportunity, and means.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It doesn't seem like it given the small number of troops involved. That could be part of it though although I would guess it would be mostly in the computer simulation side.

    I actually thought initially that it might be a large scale counter insurgency exercise. Managing different command elements and logistics across a large area with a few non-virtual elements. But that author seems to think it is more of an E&E exercise combined with the JOAX training. I'm guessing the JOAX and CRF events both will happen on existing military bases. The locals won't even know anything happened unless they see the parachutes of the guys jumping into Lackland or wherever.

    Actually I tried to do a better comparison of existing military bases in TX versus the map they provided and it looks like the JOAX area might be Ft Hood. That gives them over 200,000 acres to play in.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 10 years, 7 months ago
    Thank you Xthinker88,
    Very reassuring. :) I am always a bit skeptical of Alex Jones since he often seems a bit over the top to me.
    Regards,
    O.A.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 10 years, 7 months ago
    Do you know if the scenario of this exercise is a civil uprising?
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  • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That was that author's opinion. I'm sure that the rules of engagement for the evaders do not allow them to commit petty crimes. Except maybe trespassing. Of course the main rule is not to get caught breaking the rules.

    They won't be able to keep someone from attacking them while trespassing. Makes training much more realistic.

    I doubt that this is going to be a very sizeable force either. Some have mentioned 1200. But a ranger battalion and a battalion of the 82nd would already be more than that (for the JOAX). So maybe that is smaller in size. Either way, not a lot of people for the whole evasion exercise.
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