Obama To Americans: You Don't Deserve To Be Free

Posted by Eudaimonia 12 years, 2 months ago to Politics
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"Obama’s real antagonist is Ayn Rand" - Harry Binswanger.
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  • Posted by 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, what makes Barry Soetoro different is that he is
    1) backed by a foreign billionaire, child NAZI jewhunter, who has crashed the economies of Poland, Russia, and England and who has said his life's greatest acheivement would be crashing the economy of the US.
    2) backed by and launched his political career in the living room of an unconvicted 60's radical Marxist terrorist whose group killed cops, bombed police stations. the Congress, and the Pentagon, whose group advocated 25 million Americans killed in reeducation camps as an acceptable figure, who was found not guilty on a technicality, who has bragged "Guilty as sin, free as a bird", and who is quoted in a 9/11/2001 New York Times book review that he didn't regret setting bombs and that he wishes he did more.
    3) backed by the church in which he attended, was married in, and had his children baptised in; a church which preaches Black Liberation Theology, a religious front which teaches racial supremacy and foments Marxist Revolution.

    Need I go on?

    no, it is not because Barry Soetoro is a "half breed".
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  • Posted by $ blarman 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are correct in that our current government (and Fed) leaders embrace the delusions of Keynesian economics, thinking that government spending and large money supply drive the economy. You do realize that you contradict yourself in your next assertion, right? You correctly point out that artificial growth in the money supply due to printing causes inflation. But then you go on to say that it is only because money exists that an economy can exist. You have it backwards.

    Your definition of money is incorrect. Economic activity happens when parties exchange products or services of value. The number of parties engaged in such activities determine the size of the market but it is independent of money. Money is only a tool that provides a common baseline value for trade, but it is a result of the advancement of trade - not the predecessor of all trade: barter. You are trying to make it so that money itself creates value and trade, which is completely backwards.

    As for gold not having intrinsic value, you are greatly mistaken. Gold is valued (and has been historically valued) not only for its scarcity (an inherent determinant of value) but also for its color, malleability, and ease of separation from (and combination with) other metals. In modern times, it is also very valuable as a component in micro-circuitry. Other precious metals also have similar history and use. Silver is still highly desirable for photographic uses as well as being the original true mirror. Copper is the all-purpose carrier of electricity and historically was combined with Zinc to make Bronze - used for tools and weaponry prior to Iron. Platinum is invaluable as a catalyst. Go back further and salt and olive oil were the de facto currencies of Mediterranean Trade. Intrinsic values happen with physical objects - extrinsic values happen with ideals. Paper money has zero intrinsic value - even if you like colored paper airplanes or Origami, that value is extrinsic.

    Does scarcity affect value? Absolutely. Value is a composite of scarcity and utility. Both contribute to the total concept of value. But money is and always will be a reflection of value rather than the creation of value.

    And I would suggest that you look up the term "stagflation" before trying to assert that the function of inflation can be used as a gauge of economic activity. You might also check out Germany's economy just prior to WWII as a clear example that inflation is not equivalent to a rise or fall in economic activity - merely a consideration that dramatically affects the value of an item when expressed in terms of money.
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    Posted by Boborobdos 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A completely unregulated market won't work. Look at the game Menopoly...

    At the end of the game there is one winner and everyone else is wiped out.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    by the way - gold has no intrinsic value. It's value only exists due to scarcity and relatively high costs of production. If a mountain of gold were suddenly found, the price would plummet dramatically.
    Intrinsic value is always context dependent. Water in the desert has a much higher intrinsic value than gold, while a fur coat may have higher intrinsic value than gold if stranded in the woods in a blizzard.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    blarman - you are ignorant of basic monetary economics. Inflation occurs due to more money in the system - period. What would cause the need for more money? Why, more economic activity. As productivity and economic activity creates more goods/services then there needs to be more money in the system to pay for it. Thus, the money supply (and therefor inflation) should properly grow at the rate of economic growth. So you can gage economic growth as a function of inflation (although it is properly the other way around).
    Unfortunately, our current governmental leaders seem to believe that monetary growth can drive economic growth (this is basic Keynesian economics). This only works in a very short term and ultimately results in much higher inflation than should have occurred due to too much money existing in the economy.
    Mark my words and protect your wealth in some hard assets. Stocks, bonds, cash, etc. are soon to suffer from the effects of hyperinflation.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And, in fact, the tremendous amount of money creation in the past few years guarantees that hyperinflation is in store. It's only a matter of time.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Only if you believe that the Fed is truly independent. It has not behaved in such a manner for a long time. Thus, even if not a formal part of the government, it acts in a manner consistent with the governmental interests, not the interests of the nation.
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  • Posted by RonC 12 years, 2 months ago
    I will remain free. To old to run, too weak to fight. I will stand my ground here in fly over country, and do as I please everyday.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Inflation is universally bad. Think about it:

    Inflation is what forces prices to rise every year. Inflation is what forces everyone - including government - to think that they need to get a raise every year because (in fact) they do. But it isn't because of productivity gains, it's just to tread water. Inflation contributes to the entitlement mindset by encouraging people to believe that they are entitled to more and more every year.

    Inflation devalues investments. Savings are the backbone of any economy, because it is savings/retained earnings that are used to create new businesses and new jobs. But savings become devalued due to inflation, requiring higher and higher ROI for long-term investments.

    Inflation encourages reckless spending. For the same reasons that inflation discourages investment, it encourages spot purchases and consumerism, because if your money isn't going to be worth as much tomorrow as it was today, you are much more likely to spend the money now so as to maximize utility/value!

    Inflation undervalues debt. Because money doesn't retain its value, what you can buy on credit now actually becomes less expensive to pay for over the long term when factoring in inflation. So the credit companies have to take this into account and tack on huge interest rates - what they are actually doing is compensating for inflation with higher interest rates.

    The institution of the Federal Reserve eliminated competition from a very important sector of business: money and the creation of value. Prior to that, banks were wholly dependent on their reputations to be able to operate. If a bank didn't have the "credit" with another bank, they wouldn't respect their paper money so the patrons were forced to use real bullion for exchange. Real bullion which has an intrinsic value rather the extrinsic value of our current paper currency. That means that no bank bailouts would ever be necessary because the banks would place as their #1 objective and rule of business never to risk the "full faith and credit" (taken from the Constitution) of their business on risky investments!

    "Even if the Fed could get 0% inflation, why would we want that."

    I've just explained why.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 12 years, 2 months ago
    Eh, it's a decent argument, but it's got a few problems. On the one had, he does correctly recognize that the primary source of all our economic problems is the Federal Reserve. But on the other hand, he ignorantly and wrongly declares that the establishment of the Federal Reserve was was an act of the government getting involved with our money. That is completely wrong. It's exactly the opposite. The establishment of the Federal Reserve did not put control of our money into the hands of the government, it took control AWAY from the government! The Federal Reserve is not a government entity, and prior to its existence our money was printed by the government. Now our money is printed by the Federal Reserve, which is a privately owned organization. Honestly, it surprises me that a self-proclaimed economist would be unaware of that fact.
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  • Posted by BambiB 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If you think about it, with inflation, the people who get hurt are the people paid/holding dollars. For example, if you own an apartment building, and inflation goes to 10%, you just raise rents by 10%. But your tenants may not have 10% more, unless their paychecks go up. Correspondingly, anyone on a fixed income is screwed, and anyone with cash in the bank gets taken.

    So who owns things like apartment buildings?
    And who relies on a fixed income?

    I'm thinking people are not being affected the same.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The whole banking system is based on a stable positive rate of inflation and positive interest rates that are higher than inflation. Without the Fed Reserve, money's value might go up and down with economic cycle or commodities markets. Even if the Fed could get 0% inflation, why would we want that. It's not like the 3% causes us to have to race to the bank at the end of each day to avoid losing value.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ah, but without the Federal Reserve, the value of our money would remain relatively constant, rather than constantly losing value at 3% annually.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 12 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Maybe it's for another thread, but it seems to me the Fed has done a decent job maintaining money that the world uses as global currency, keeping its inflation around 3%, and opening/closing the faucet as necessary to avoid unused production capacity.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 12 years, 2 months ago
    I was enjoying the article until he engaged in ad hominem and drove right off the cliff...

    "They are for individualism–except when they are against it. They are against free markets and individualism not only when they agree with the Left that we must have antitrust laws and the Federal Reserve, but also when they demand immigration controls, government schools, regulatory agencies, Medicare, laws prohibiting abortion, Social Security, “public works” projects, the “social safety net,” laws against insider trading, banking regulation, and the whole system of fiat money."

    First, this fool is opposed to immigration controls? Just wide open borders? Then why the HELL have a country at all? Oh, no, China, you can't invade our non-existant borders with your army, we'll keep you out. But, if you want, you can infiltrate the hell out of us and thereby destroy our culture, our economy, our political system.

    Second, I favor "anti-trust laws" only to the extent of preventing one business from preventing others from doing business. An example; I would break Wal-mart every time they opened a new store and dropped the prices in that one store to drive out competition, *while absorbing the loss by raising prices in well-established stores*.
    I think khalling would agree with my other use for anti-trust; to prevent Bob from cloning an iToy and manufacturing a clone at a lower price, while still allowing Bob to reverse engineer the iToy (ie, learn how it works) and coming up with Bob's Toy as his own design.

    I support government schools... provided the government in question is local. I don't support medicare. I don't support social security.
    I support abortion laws the same way I support murder laws. The one's initiating violence here are the abortionists. This is where pro-abortionists are blind to their own prejudice. THEY conclude that unborn babies aren't human unless the piece of shit that would kill them says they are, and therefore *I* must reach the same conclusion, or I'm opposed to individualism. I have always opposed abortion for the equal protection aspect; if an abortionist can kill an unborn baby for no greater harm than being funny looking and inconvenient, then I should be allowed to kill illegal aliens for the same reason.

    I support laws regarding banking regulation to the same extent and in the same fashion as I stated above for anti-trust laws; to prevent bankers from conspiring to close-out competition, nothing further. Public works I support... so long as, again, the "public" is local. What do I care if the people of Waterford, CT all vote to build a 16 lane superhighway in a circle around the local Wal-mart? I never understood the opposition to insider trading; the only way I'd ever get in the stock market is if I had special knowledge of an affect on a given stock. Anyone who "gambles" on the stock market in my opinion might as well go to Vegas.

    I don't know what is meant by "fiat money", but I do want us back on the gold standard.

    I "challenge" the FDA; the ESRB does a fine job of censoring video games. It is a non-government board. No one has to belong, no one has to comply in order to create a video game, or even be rated. But... if you want to make a video game for the big 3 (Nintendo, Playstation, X-box), it won't be published without a rating. (which borders on anti-trust, anyway). We don't need a government *regulatory* FDA. I'm fine with the EPA and FDA as advisory boards.

    All our money should be backed by some concrete material, be it copper, silver, gold, platinum, or diamond.

    And I'm about as far "right" as anyone in the gulch.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 12 years, 2 months ago
    I agree with this article, but I don't think Obama is unique. If we must accept statism, he's great. We don't have to accept it, though. We need a movement that wants less gov't, and Obama's and Bush's of the future will respond. Otherwise we'll carry on about getting our military in conflicts all around the world, Medicare Part D, and PPACA, and nothing will change.
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