Seems to me that Burger King, McDonald's, and Wendy's, cigarettes, are far more lethal than guns ever will be.
Only suicide by Firearm made the top ten when it came to death by gun. Assault (death by firearm) was number 14 but includes all gang shootings, pretty much any weapons assault.
Bureau of Census year 2000.
Type of Accident or Manner of Injury Total Deaths in 2000 All External Causes of Mortality 151,268 Deaths Due to Unintentional (Accidental) Injuries 97,900 Nontransport Unintentional (Accidental) Injuries 51,151 Transport Accidents 46,749 Intentional self-harm 29,350 Other and unspecified land transport accidents 16,850 Assault 16,765 Intentional self-harm by firearm 16,586 Other and unspecified person 15,808 Car occupant 14,813 Falls 13,322 Accidental poisoning by and exposure to noxious substances 12,757 Assault by firearm 10,801 Accidental exposure to other and unspecified factors and sequelae 7,576 Other and unspecified fall 7,310 Narcotics and psychodysleptics [hallucinogens] n.e.c. 6,139 Pedestrian 5,870 Intentional self-harm by hanging, strangulation, and suffocation 5,688 Other accidental threats to breathing 5,648 Intentional self-poisoning 4,859 Other and unspecified drugs medicaments and biologicals 4,693 Other and unspecified means and sequelae 4,159 Event of undetermined intent 3,819 Accidental drowning and submersion 3,482 Exposure to smoke, fire and flames 3,377 Occupant of pick-up truck or van 3,268 Inhalation and ingestion of other objects causing obstruction of respiratory tract 3,187 Complications of medical and surgical care and sequelae 3,059 Uncontrolled fire in building or structure 2,776
I think you might have missed one of the stats. What about deaths or injuries by rifles with over a 10 round magazine? Is there a statistic on that? Perhaps a ban on magazines over 10 rounds might reduce the number of suicides by rifle? Perhaps not.
Or perhaps stats on lives taken by 20 or 50 round magazines (not including combat in a war zone). Would they feel safer with 5 round magazines. Could we save lives in war by going back to single shot weapons? Will the bomb (a big one) ever be a single shot weapon? And what about lives saved by civilians with guns? Or robberies, rapes, muggings, injuries prevented by civilians with guns? How many mothers and/or fathers died because someone didnât have a gun? I always think about Dr. Suzanna Huppâs testimony before Congress. She tried to adhere to a stupid law and look what it cost her.
In the article it said, âIf a ban âŚ(blah, blah, blah)âŚ.. reduces the perceived risk âŚ..âŚ..and makes the public feel safer as a result, thatâs a substantial benefit.â WHAT? WHAT? Are you kidding me? A benefit to who, not to me? Itâs only a substantial benefit to a few that drank your Kool-Aid.. Who are âtheyâ to tell me how Iâd feel about their stupid laws? Perhaps âtheyâ would really feel safe, if their body guards only carried single shot devices.
How about a ban on heart disease or cancer? Fortunately I have not had to use a gun to prevent anything yet, if you don't count my "tour" in Vietnam. In fact, as I might derive from the article, perhaps I wouldnât have had to go to Vietnam if we didnât have guns with magazines. Our leaders might have been able to arm wrestle for a solution to the problem instead.
How safe do you feel when you drive? If there were smaller and much slower cars would you not feel much safer? Perhaps we should start with big cars and let the gun thing work itself out. Of course my Corvette will be grandfathered, wonât it? Itâs really not very big, but itâs fast, at least that what they tell me. And maybe they could ban soda over 16 ounces to make us all feel safer. If they ban magazines over 10 rounds, 5 rounds will be next, and soon youâll be doing target practice with a single round magazine. Think about that.
High capacity, heck it's only got the little engine, only 424 horsepower. I can't imagine why anyone would want anything more powerful. My wife screamed the first time I tried to see what it might do. Starting at 70 mph I floored it (for about three seconds) I thought it might take to flight (scared me too) so I backed off. Yet I do not deny any one the right to have more horses because it might "make the public feel safer, and that's a substantial benefit". And yes, I do enjoy ranting quite a bit these days, that's what a Corvette and retirement does to an old person, allows you to rant.
Yeah, with "only" 424 horsepower I might only last about 3 seconds as well. (innuendo intended) But I'd still like to try out a 700HP Challenger Hellcat just for the fun of it. To hell with the public's feelings. Eh?
If you take all the people killed in the world by guns including war period, then look at all the people killed globally by, cars heart disease and other ways, the total by guns does not even rate on the charts.
Their emotional arguments are irrational and devoid of logic, facts or any evidence.
Injury/death by government edicted drug war has created more injuries/casualties than any other illegal cause, not to mention the innocent bystanders as collateral damage.
This is exactly the illogical blather that causes the masses to blindly nod in glassy eyed slack jawed assent. Just say something looks "scary", and that's all it takes to strip your 2nd amendment choices.
It is what happened here in CT after Sandy hook. "Oh, that shotgun with a pistol grip looks scary!" Now, shotguns w/pistol grips are illegal here in commie CT. Large capacity magazines should be banned. Thy hold too many rounds. Well, what got banned are STANDARD capacity. People are just too damn stupid to live!! Agghhhh. I know, I'm trying to refrain from hyperbolic diatribes, but SHEESH!
The dissenting judge has his facts straight. Now, where can we find more of his measure??
It is so simple to point out the problems with an "Assault Weapon" ban. The mushy definition politicians come up with devolved down to "scary looking' weapons.
Tell me other than appearance what is the major difference between an AR-15 or knockoff with a 20 round mag and a mini-14 with a 20 round mag.
Both are gas operated Both have 20 round mags Both are chambered to fire both 5.56 nato and .223 Remington
That's all there is to it. The cosmetic differences are what make the ignorant sheeple come en masse with torches and pitchforks, whining about the scary guns. Hey! Don't run with those pitchforks! You could put out an eye!
There were some accuracy issues with the mini14 (compared to the AR) for about 10 years of production (can't remember when that was fixed.) I believe the more recent models are ok.
Lots of discussions about it online. Just google search for it. The manufacturing process was changed in 2005 at Ruger arguably to improve the accuracy.
Does a given firearm shoot straight? That is all I care about. I once bought a cute-looking two shot derringer. I carried it around for months before I thought to try it out. It hit a target about 12 inches low at point blank range! I in good conscience could not even sell the thing. I hurled it down hard on concrete a few times to break it before throwing it away. At least that crap for a dangerous gun was dirt cheap.
Derringers have always been considered a contact weapon for that very reason. Not enough barrel to have a lot of accuracy. Of course, pop some .410 barrels on there, put in shot shells and accuracy is less of an issue.
Although it is still far better used as a contact weapon regardless of what the loads are. Impossible to miss then.
Thanks for the tech, Tech, but I want to know I can at least hit a target 6 feet away with a pocket pistol. At that range with that derringer, I could take aim at a bad cowboy's hat and make him dance.
I have to praise the Star Firestar 9mm in starvel for concealed carry. Its not a derringer by any stretch of imagiination, but for a small frame semiauto its very accurate. Maybe too heavy for your needs though. That weight really helps with control management of recoil. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Firest...
After I got rid of the derringer, I used a .32-cal. Beretta Tomcat as a pocket pistol for a couple of years until I gave it to one of my sons. That Tomcat is beautifully accurate!
Sig makes very accurate firearms. That one is a good 10 oz lighter than the Firestar, so the recoil may be less fun but carrying may be easier. I had one of these some time ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_Sauer_P...
Here's the first handgun I bought back in 1974 when I was a rural county newspaper reporter receiving phoned threats for some of my crime stories. This was before star 69 was offered by Southern Bell. Two crooks I recognized (and wrote about) actually attempted to attack me in a laundromat. I had my back to them but I was watching their reflection in the door glass of a dryer. When one shook his head and chickened out, the other one did too. That did it! I drove to a gun shop in Tuscaloosa the first Saturday that came along. Guess it figures I never had to use it. Never had to unconceal it for a fact.
4 moa is normally sufficient for likely ranges they would be used at. Not really designed or setup for real long range use. Both 4 moa or 2 moa would be insufficient at the High Desert Shooting Match however.
If I recall it was more than sufficient against the poorly trained FBI in Florida. (Maybe poorly trained is the wrong term, but they responded as if they were clueless according to reports.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Mi...
Accuracy is a product of multiple factors so generalized answers are always iffy. Consider the length of the barrel, the type and sharpness of the rifling, the ammunition and is it the best for a given firearm, is the weapon sighted in, etc.
yes, this touchy-feely stuff pervades the logic of the left -- like their affinity for compassionate fairness.... I can be compassionate and fair when I give the local food kitchen (free food for the homeless) a thousand dollars, but it doesn't count, because I voted for Reagan. . doesn't feel right to them. . it turns their stomach, cuz I don't have the right flavor of compassion. -- j .
compassion, like everything else, is political. . . their goal is power, so compassion is aimed at those who will either vote for them, or give them money. . imho. -- j .
The dispensing of compassion is based on need, of course. And you seem to have had more than your fair share so you don't need anymore. Unless you're going to go into manufacturing solar panels. Then there will be plenty of "compassion" to go around.
Long over due. But since the People are becoming dumber and dumber, and most don't even know what freedom nor what to fight for, realistically, only an internal collapse similar to what happened to the Soviet Union, can put a stop to this maddness.
My assault weapon of choice is my ball bat that will assault one. I use my guns for defense and hunting its our constitutional right. A judge or a group of judges cannot take that away they may say they can. But try. Their are millions of us out here who will have the last say.
I think we should pass a law prohibiting Martians from having rocket ships. We don't know if they're are friendly, or if they even exist, but better safe than sorry.
Another example of how this country is rolling down toward dictatorship. What use is it to have a Cons- titution if the people whose job it is to administer and interpret it just do anything they want, and pre- tend that it doesn't say what it really does say?
Leonard Peikoff in "The Ominous Parallels" said that the Constitution could not stop the trend if its animating principle collapsed.
I am finally glad to see one person at least on this site that has read his book. I have a copy that i bought when it was first published and have re read it recently. He is as intuitive as Ayn Rand was.
"Unfortunately, Manionâs brain was overruled by the âfeelingsâ of his fellow appellate judges, Frank Easterbrook and Ann Claire Williams. - " Hmmm, I see a need to retire some judges.
First it was automatic weapons, and now it's magazines over 10 rounds. If they pass this the next thing will be magazines over 5 rounds, and soon you'll be trying to target shoot with a One-Round-Magazine. Can you imagine that? Of course mine will be grandfathered, won't they?
An apple app.
For many of us, you'd so as well as type in Cyrillic after translating from English to Urdu.
"Thanks."
Only suicide by Firearm made the top ten when it came to death by gun.
Assault (death by firearm) was number 14 but includes all gang shootings, pretty much any weapons assault.
Bureau of Census year 2000.
Type of Accident or Manner of Injury Total Deaths in 2000
All External Causes of Mortality 151,268
Deaths Due to Unintentional (Accidental) Injuries 97,900
Nontransport Unintentional (Accidental) Injuries 51,151
Transport Accidents 46,749
Intentional self-harm 29,350
Other and unspecified land transport accidents 16,850
Assault 16,765
Intentional self-harm by firearm 16,586
Other and unspecified person 15,808
Car occupant 14,813
Falls 13,322
Accidental poisoning by and exposure to noxious substances 12,757
Assault by firearm 10,801
Accidental exposure to other and unspecified factors and sequelae 7,576
Other and unspecified fall 7,310
Narcotics and psychodysleptics [hallucinogens] n.e.c. 6,139
Pedestrian 5,870
Intentional self-harm by hanging, strangulation, and suffocation 5,688
Other accidental threats to breathing 5,648
Intentional self-poisoning 4,859
Other and unspecified drugs medicaments and biologicals 4,693
Other and unspecified means and sequelae 4,159
Event of undetermined intent 3,819
Accidental drowning and submersion 3,482
Exposure to smoke, fire and flames 3,377
Occupant of pick-up truck or van 3,268
Inhalation and ingestion of other objects causing obstruction of respiratory tract 3,187
Complications of medical and surgical care and sequelae 3,059
Uncontrolled fire in building or structure 2,776
Now to place their unreasonable emotional response to guns here is the CDC statistics on deaths 2013
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-...
â˘Heart disease: 611,105
â˘Cancer: 584,881
â˘Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 149,205
â˘Accidents (unintentional injuries): 130,557
â˘Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,978
â˘Alzheimer's disease: 84,767
â˘Diabetes: 75,578
â˘Influenza and Pneumonia: 56,979
â˘Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 47,112
â˘Intentional self-harm (suicide): 41,149
Or perhaps stats on lives taken by 20 or 50 round magazines (not including combat in a war zone). Would they feel safer with 5 round magazines. Could we save lives in war by going back to single shot weapons? Will the bomb (a big one) ever be a single shot weapon? And what about lives saved by civilians with guns? Or robberies, rapes, muggings, injuries prevented by civilians with guns? How many mothers and/or fathers died because someone didnât have a gun? I always think about Dr. Suzanna Huppâs testimony before Congress. She tried to adhere to a stupid law and look what it cost her.
In the article it said, âIf a ban âŚ(blah, blah, blah)âŚ.. reduces the perceived risk âŚ..âŚ..and makes the public feel safer as a result, thatâs a substantial benefit.â WHAT? WHAT? Are you kidding me? A benefit to who, not to me? Itâs only a substantial benefit to a few that drank your Kool-Aid.. Who are âtheyâ to tell me how Iâd feel about their stupid laws? Perhaps âtheyâ would really feel safe, if their body guards only carried single shot devices.
How about a ban on heart disease or cancer? Fortunately I have not had to use a gun to prevent anything yet, if you don't count my "tour" in Vietnam. In fact, as I might derive from the article, perhaps I wouldnât have had to go to Vietnam if we didnât have guns with magazines. Our leaders might have been able to arm wrestle for a solution to the problem instead.
How safe do you feel when you drive? If there were smaller and much slower cars would you not feel much safer? Perhaps we should start with big cars and let the gun thing work itself out. Of course my Corvette will be grandfathered, wonât it? Itâs really not very big, but itâs fast, at least that what they tell me. And maybe they could ban soda over 16 ounces to make us all feel safer. If they ban magazines over 10 rounds, 5 rounds will be next, and soon youâll be doing target practice with a single round magazine. Think about that.
But I think your Corvette is considered high capacity. Just sayin.
If you take all the people killed in the world by guns including war period, then look at all the people killed globally by, cars heart disease and other ways, the total by guns does not even rate on the charts.
Their emotional arguments are irrational and devoid of logic, facts or any evidence.
The FBI has statistics by weapon type...
It happens, and you don't get much more single shot than Bow and Arrow..
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It is what happened here in CT after Sandy hook. "Oh, that shotgun with a pistol grip looks scary!" Now, shotguns w/pistol grips are illegal here in commie CT. Large capacity magazines should be banned. Thy hold too many rounds. Well, what got banned are STANDARD capacity. People are just too damn stupid to live!! Agghhhh. I know, I'm trying to refrain from hyperbolic diatribes, but SHEESH!
The dissenting judge has his facts straight. Now, where can we find more of his measure??
Tell me other than appearance what is the major difference between an AR-15 or knockoff with a 20 round mag and a mini-14 with a 20 round mag.
Both are gas operated
Both have 20 round mags
Both are chambered to fire both 5.56 nato and .223 Remington
In other words it looks more like a standard rifle even though its genesis was the M-14, so it doesn't cause the touchy feelies to lose their minds.
I once bought a cute-looking two shot derringer. I carried it around for months before I thought to try it out.
It hit a target about 12 inches low at point blank range!
I in good conscience could not even sell the thing.
I hurled it down hard on concrete a few times to break it before throwing it away.
At least that crap for a dangerous gun was dirt cheap.
Although it is still far better used as a contact weapon regardless of what the loads are. Impossible to miss then.
At that range with that derringer, I could take aim at a bad cowboy's hat and make him dance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Firest...
That Tomcat is beautifully accurate!
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/produ...
I'm on the verge of buying a 9mm Sig Sauer for a compact pocket pistol or something like it.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/07...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_Sauer_P...
This was before star 69 was offered by Southern Bell.
Two crooks I recognized (and wrote about) actually attempted to attack me in a laundromat. I had my back to them but I was watching their reflection in the door glass of a dryer. When one shook his head and chickened out, the other one did too.
That did it! I drove to a gun shop in Tuscaloosa the first Saturday that came along.
Guess it figures I never had to use it. Never had to unconceal it for a fact.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Mi...
The only one I've ever fired is the S&W M&P15-TS, 5.56. It was darn accurate! Gringringrin...
http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmW...
Jan, devoid of sarcasm
Only in the real Gulch.
the left -- like their affinity for compassionate fairness....
I can be compassionate and fair when I give the local
food kitchen (free food for the homeless) a thousand
dollars, but it doesn't count, because I voted for
Reagan. . doesn't feel right to them. . it turns their
stomach, cuz I don't have the right flavor of
compassion. -- j
.
goal is power, so compassion is aimed at those who
will either vote for them, or give them money. . imho. -- j
.
To those of us with any brains, of course, the absurdity in this is obvious.
If there ever was a reason for State Militia's and the Second Amendment you are seeing it now.
The section on medical tourism
toward dictatorship. What use is it to have a Cons-
titution if the people whose job it is to administer
and interpret it just do anything they want, and pre-
tend that it doesn't say what it really does say?
Leonard Peikoff in "The Ominous Parallels"
said that the Constitution could not stop the
trend if its animating principle collapsed.
First it was automatic weapons, and now it's magazines over 10 rounds. If they pass this the next thing will be magazines over 5 rounds, and soon you'll be trying to target shoot with a One-Round-Magazine. Can you imagine that? Of course mine will be grandfathered, won't they?