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Tolerance

Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 2 months ago to Philosophy
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Over the past generation, the so-called virtue of tolerance has suddenly surpassed all other virtues. Since being in the Gulch, I have become increasingly aware of how tolerance can be a signal to others to trample on you like a doormat.

On the other hand, whereas intolerance of error gets you branded outside the Gulch, here it is often viewed as the correct response. In fact, Ms. Rand was one of the least tolerant people in the last 100 years. I am now beginning to view that as an endearing quality.

Please enlighten me as to whether you consider tolerance and/or politeness are virtuous or not, and of course, explain the basis for your viewpoint.


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  • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I do not agree that I need to tolerate public stupidity or ignorance. That's condoning it, which is the same as agreeing with it. And my right to express my views is clearly supported by the First Ammendment, and only those who cannot back up their premise will lash out with hyperbolic vitriol. That's when you know their premises aren't based on logic and reason.
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  • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 10 years, 2 months ago
    Good post. +1

    Tolerance and politeness are not the same thing.

    I am tolerant of someone learning new skills for example. People need to make mistakes to learn to get it right, and it can take time and practice
    As many have mentioned, I too am intolerant of those trying to steal my life, my liberty and the products of my labor. I am really intolerant of the willfully ignorant.

    Politeness is a social skill. Tolerance is not.
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  • Posted by edweaver 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So well put Rick!

    2 words (well 3 words actually) I have come to hate. Tolerance & politically correct.

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  • Posted by Technocracy 10 years, 2 months ago
    I often wonder if they simply misspelled it.

    Based on their actions and results, intolerance would be a better fit.
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    Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 10 years, 2 months ago
    Hello jbrenner,
    I am intolerant of those that refuse to recognize, or wish to undermine my right to exist for my own sake. I am intolerant of those that preach tolerance, but display the most intolerance towards the rights of others. Recently there has been a great deal of wrongful intolerance at colleges by students and faculty when speakers of differing opinions have been slandered and threatened with violent rhetoric. I believe I am a very patient person though and will demonstrate great tolerance for those that are merely ignorant, so long as they are willing to use logic to check their premises and learn. I fully expect to be held to the same standard. Make your case and argue it with civility. I may be swayed. Tolerance is a virtue so long as it does not require sacrifice of principle or self. Intolerance for those that wish to force their will upon me, or use government for same, when their will means sacrifice on my part is a virtue!

    Respectfully,
    O.A.

    Edited for clarity.
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    Posted by dbhalling 10 years, 2 months ago
    Tolerance is not a virtue or a vice per se. Tolerance is a reaction. If you are being tolerant of a good child or a good person who has made an error, then that is probably virtuous. If you are being tolerant of a movement that advocates wiping out 5.5 billion people then that is a big vice.
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  • Posted by Snoogoo 10 years, 2 months ago
    "Tolerance" is a word used to indoctrinate and make people think that they have to value those who hold no values and do not value them, that every relationship and being is virtuous. Of course that is not true in the real world, it never has been true and it never will be true. Anyone who has been burned badly in life tends to stop being so tolerant in the interest of self-preservation. This is one of those great words to use to indoctrinate because it sounds nice and it is pretty ambiguous.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh. Thank you, I think.
    I was just thinking of it as a general life skill. If I couldn't tolerate people making mistakes, including myself, I'd go crazy.

    It's also necessary for people to get along in a free society. A year ago someone posted that think with Chomsky talking to students about having to agree on standards of what's offensive since the entire campus was their home. I thought, no, your dorm room or house is your home, and once you're in public space or someone else's space you have tolerate things that are stupid, offensive, etc.
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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The best advice I ever got was from an old boss on my first day. He said, "We barely know each other. Your job is to make me look good, and if you do that, I will make you look good. The first step in making our relationship work is to 'Check your ego at the door'".
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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My intolerance threshold is getting lower at such an accelerated rate that is starting to concern me.
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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well explained, Rick.
    I have a nasty habit of being the proverbial "bull in a china shop" sometimes and definitely lack tact.
    I am losing tolerance for the word tolerance.
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