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Evolution of the "Liberal"

Posted by salta 9 years ago to Politics
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Can anyone tell me when and how the term "Liberal" changed. The word root means freedom, and the original meaning (now called "Classical" Liberal) advocated freedom for citizens. Today it universally seems to advocate freedom for state in contrast with freedom for citizens.

In hindsight, it seems like a rhetorical trick, but I doubt it was. That seems a bit too clever.
Perhaps it was a gradual process where early liberals just let their philosophy slowly become corrupted, until the name lost its original meaning.

I'm interested here in the damaging evolution of language, and what other political words are being hijacked today, and how can we stop that process.


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  • Posted by 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, an example is when we see "tribal conflict" in Africa. This is pure focused racism, but that word is never actually used, that would not be PC. If you have a strong stomach watch the movie Hotel Rwanda (not for light entertainment)
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  • Posted by 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Recognizing a confused mind from speech is easier than from writing, partly because we transmit much more information non-verbally while we speak (voice inflection, speed, volume, hesitation)
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  • Posted by 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, the change of "liberty to do..." into "liberty from..." encapsulates the evolution very well. +1
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years ago
    "Liberal" in the 19th century sense meant free, easy, abundant,not bound by lots of restrictions. Today it means the exact opposite. When conservatives finally caught on to the changed meaning, the lefties changed to "progressive(s)."
    Progressive used to mean forward-thinking, making positive progress. It has come to mean what liberal now means. The meanings evolved, but not naturally. It's sort of a forced evolution as performed by Dr. Frankenstein.

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  • Posted by MinorLiberator 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree. Before the term was co-opted, a "liberal" education was very much pro-reason and the Enlightenment. One description of it I like is that "in those days" they taught you HOW to think, not WHAT to think...with I'm sure very rare exceptions, the "popular" Liberal Arts colleges are fully to the Left...based on what I've read, and a very small sample of nieces and nephews who have recently graduated from such "esteemed" institutions...
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  • Posted by MinorLiberator 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, Kennedy was one of the last of the Democratic "liberals" who was, although still to the left of center, not nearly New Left, and was definitely, as other Democrats up until that time "strong on defense"...then indeed came the "sea change"...
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  • Posted by walkabout 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree; you are right. They are evil! (As I use and define the term : removing from someone else action and responsibility for those actions). My point is we have to unrelentingly force them to define what they mean. And, we need to be clear in what we mean when we use terms. Just as in political campaigns you lose if/when your opponent gets to define you; we lose when we let them use terms w/o defining what THEY mean in using them. Contact "news" people and chastise them when they let a "leader" use undefined words (recently a mayor used "essential city services" and (my favorite) politicians who talk about "fair share; Neil Boortz bristled as "give back". We have to demand not only the politicians define themselves and be held accountable, but also the conduits who bring us those political words. Yes, we have to take the language back.
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  • Posted by MinorLiberator 9 years ago
    I can't say exactly, but my guess would be the early 20th Century, almost certainly by FDR's time, but I'm open to correction.

    And it certainly was a quite successful (and IMO intentional) "re-branding", as corporate Newspeak would call it. I know it relates to Marx and his followers, when the word "liberty" was transformed from "liberty to do..." to "liberty "from"...exploitation, hunger, the need to work...etc...

    (I damned if I can find it now, or even an online reference, but I'm certain I read in a legitimate source that the "New School for Social Research" in New York City was originally named after Karl Marx...but that was shortly "re-branded".)
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  • Posted by davidmcnab 9 years ago
    There are different dimensions of liberty versus repression. For example, one can be a libertarian in regard to freedom of doing business, but staunchly against gay relationships and abortions. Ayn Rand confused many by being both a business libertarian and a staunch defender of rights for gays and abortion rights.

    The Political Compass site does away with the over-simplistic "left versus right" thing and instead maps people's alignments on a two dimensional graph. If you've got a couple of minutes to answer a few questions, it's an interesting study:
    http://www.politicalcompass.org/
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  • Posted by davidmcnab 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Correct, freedomforall. In Australia, the name of the dominant financially-conservative classically-liberal political party is the Liberal Party, which tends to hold power in the Australian Parliament two-thirds of the time. For incoming American immigrants, it sits high on their "WTF list" along with the kangaroos, the climate and driving on the left side of the road.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years ago
    "Liberal Arts" colleges seemed to mean that the
    widespread attention of the students to "arts" or
    specialties of all kinds would produce a well-rounded
    individual. . according to my mom, whose degree
    was in something like social studies from Agnes
    Scott in atlanta. . I asked about engineering, and
    she said that science was included. . but engineering
    is the application of science to the betterment of
    humankind, I said. . we went circular from there.

    liberals probably adopted the name from something
    like this, I would think -- the well-rounded learning
    of everything progressive for humankind -- progress
    toward the envisioned utopia. . maybe? -- j

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  • Posted by RobertFl 9 years ago
    I read once that "liberal" actually referred to a "libertarian" - one who was Liberal with Liberties.
    Perhaps the libertarian party needs to reclaim it, it might help their voting numbers.
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  • Posted by JDCarpanzano1 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I believe you misunderstood my point and the article. The left has been controlling the language to create a facade of benevolence when in fact they harbor more discrimination and hatred than any other group on the planet and that includes the KKK.
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  • Posted by walkabout 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I usually say I'm a libertarian and cite the quote (I think from a former governor of Wisconsin who said), "I want the Federal Government to protect my shores, deliver the mail and stay the hell out of my life." Frankly I don't think they need to deliver the mail. I don't know exactly what the states should do, but the most basic thing the federal government should do is: protect me from invaders (foreign) and from my neighbor -- provide a legal system of criminal and civil laws so our mutual right to swing our respective arms ends at each other's nose.
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  • Posted by walkabout 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Again, we are overlooking the need for definition. PROGRESS toward what. Demad to know what the individual "progressive's": goal is. Usually if they tell you some thing specific you can relate to history where the so-called progressive idea did not lead to that goal and, in fact, most often led to the opposite. For example, minimum wage laws don't lead to better living conditions for the beginning/underskilled worker, they tend to lead to unemployment; providing "benefits" to the unemployed tends to extend unemployment. If you are making progress toward tyranny and totalitarianism (or some one having any input in my life I haven't specifically requested) then no I don't want "progress."
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, but statism and collectivism are not new ideas.

    And worse, defense of a "tradition" _because_ it is tradition is no defense at all. The basic weakness of conservatism is not their rhetoric. They believe it.
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  • Posted by Maritimus 9 years ago
    Hello salta,

    It seems to me that there is a lack of focus in at least some of the comments that you received. Let me try to explain why I think that.

    There is an axiom which I believe to be self evident: "To be able to write well, you have to be able to think well." Writing is a communication means among humans. So is speaking. We seem to be more readily able to recognize a confused mind from confused speech than from confused writing. I do not know why is that, but I suspect that it might be because the speech is so much older than writing, so that our discerning skills had much longer time to develop. As we know, words are labels for the concepts in our consciousness. That is why a confusion in language is a confusion in concepts. It can be involuntary or deliberate(!).

    All communications addressed broadly at the public have the purpose of imparting knowledge, thus attempting to change the minds of the recipients. Increasing knowledge is a change of mind. So is the deliberately misleading distortion of recipients' concepts. You can call it mind control.

    From Wikipedia:
    "Mind control (also known as brainwashing, reeducation, coercive persuasion, thought control, or thought reform) is a theoretical indoctrination process which results in "an impairment of autonomy, an inability to think independently, and a disruption of beliefs and affiliations. In this context, brainwashing refers to the involuntary reeducation of basic beliefs and values".

    Throughout history, the mind control thrived. From oracles, to religion ("God's word"), to witchcraft ("Devil's word"), to political campaigning, to advertising etc. On this last one. Just listen to how frequently TV advertisement teach kids broken logic.

    The labels "progressive", "socialist", "liberal" and now back to "progressive" have been used by people who wish, by use of the government's monopoly on use of force, to enforce on all people their version of Utopia. It is a fundamentally dishonest approach. They resort to dishonesty because they cannot defend their approach on straight logic and reality. The roots are in Kantian and subsequent evil philosophies. Evil, because they deny reason, knowledge and even existence. In practice, when people begin to see through the falsity of the label of the period, they change to a knew label, in the hope that people will not notice that the only difference is in the label. You may wish to read the item entitled "Liberals" in Rand's Lexicon.

    One last thing. DanShu, above, voices trouble in deciding which label applies to him. To me, the answer is obvious. The only label for him is DanShu. That does not prevent him from being a member of a political party, activist group or anything else. We each have an obligation to acquire and "install" in ourselves our own philosophies. Yes, they will be unique, just as each one of us is a unique, unrepeatable rational animal. I subscribe to an Objectivist philosophy. I don't even know if my philosophy in every detail coincides with the views of Ayn Rand. The knowledge that our principles coincide is enough for me.

    Please forgive me the verbosity. I am obsessed by a strong desire to never be misunderstood. Alas, I do not know how write (and think!) as well as Ayn Rand did.
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  • Posted by blackswan 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    The tyrants got their ideas from these "progressives," not the other way around. The Nazis didn't create propaganda, they got it from Bernays, and they didn't create eugenics, they got it from Margaret Sanger and others.
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Marx, too, advocated taking over the language.

    Ayn Rand emphasized the importance of concepts and definitions. She identified several logical fallacies focused on invalid use of concepts, not just fallacies of 'propositions': the fallacies of the stolen concept, floating abstractions, frozen abstractions, etc.

    She wrote a whole book on the proper formation of concepts -- Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology -- as a defense of reason as our means to knowledge.

    Conceptual thought is more fundamental than communication. You can't make statements without concepts, and you can't think properly with missing concepts. As Ayn Rand put it in IOE: "Cognition precedes communication".

    The abuse of language today, muddying and destroying proper concepts, has the effect of making it literally impossible to properly think and therefore to argue for individualism, science, etc.
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  • Posted by Skycaptain 9 years ago
    In the 60's after Kennedy died there was a sea change in the Democratic party and it became interested in controlling citizens through Taxation and regulation. I
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  • Posted by RonC 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    That reveals the weakness of conservatism. If you have ever debated you will know the status quo is the hardest side to defend. The new guy can always point out the failings of the established idea, because nothing is perfect. This is a great advantage because it's more difficult to poke holes in a new idea. It has no track record and therefore no failings to point out.
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    "The word 'Progressive' has the root word of progress in it."

    And that is the way they play on it, with a built-in evaluation emotionally substituting for saying what they mean. That is why you should always use the term term "progressive" in a political context by spelling it out in the form of "never-ending, progressively increasing controls" and refer to their "regression" to tyranny.

    "Conservative" did not originally mean conserving the intent and meaning of the Constitution, it means conserving tradition and the status quo in general. Political conservatives have in general advocated preserving tradition because it is tradition, and do not and cannot defend individualism.
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