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Oregon Becomes First State To Implement Per-Mile Road Tax

Posted by $ nickursis 10 years ago to Government
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First into Bondage! Oregon leads the way! We have never seen a tax we didn't like! A holes.
I drive 1736 miles a month to work, @ 38 mpg I spend $13.70 a month. Were I stupid enough to do this rip off, (at the low, low price of 1.5cents per rutted, potholed mile next to beautiful bike lanes built with gas tax money) I would "give" or "donate" to the State of ineptitude 26.04. Only a 100% tax increase? I get a high mileage car because I do not want to cdonate to gas price manipulating oil companies, so now I get to give Oregon the equivelant of 60 cents a gallon in Road Tax because I don't "waste" enough gas for them? But now I can pay an additional 30 cents a gallon for eco friendly fuel that some Dumbocrap thought I "needed" to use so we could "support the alternate fuel industry" that gave so frickin much to them the last election they stole? DO NOT, DO NOT allow your state to go down this road, unless you own a 5 gallon a mile PU or something.

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  • Posted by livefree-NH 10 years ago
    1736 miles divided by 38 mpg yields ~ 45 gallons. Where do you get 45 gallons for $13.70? Here in NH that costs over a hundred bucks. I think you lost a decimal point there, but the point is well taken.

    And that only adds to your point, with which I agree: the tax and justification is indefensible on any grounds. If they are calling it a "usage tax", no matter whether you are using the gas, or using the roads (wearing them down, etc.), it's not best measured by how many miles you travel. Me and my little Prius "use" very little, VERY VERY little, of either. 50mpg and unmeasurable road usage. Yet since I bought it last July I have driven 20,000+ miles. And much of that was out of state to see my brother in Florida, my other brother in Maryland, and wondering how much of this kind of state tax I would be assessed for driving outside the jurisdiction of such a state? Heck, I commute into Mass. daily, sometimes twice daily (I eat lunch at home sometimes) and the miles I drive in my home state of NH is probably less than a tenth of the odometer number.

    I'm sure glad that the Prius keeps close track of the details of my driving: where, when, how fast, and more. We can stop wondering why this kind of metrics were added to the on-board systems for US autos.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Not while they rely so heavily on the Teamsters. But do away political contributions from non-voting or out of precinct or ballot book entities and watch the change in attitude.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh, I have a 3 wire 240v pump along those lines working at 55 gal/min at 80psi. Replaced one a couple years ago that had been in it for 25 years, still have that one.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Part of the problem of politics is the division and conquer startegy whereby like minded people are fractured by an individual topic. I would prefer a broad based definition of freedom and liberty, and leave it up to the individual. You cannot set your moral boundaries on others and expect compliance, that is what they use to generate divisiveness and so, take over. Look at the current Republicans, they have so many fractured little camps with one special thing that they can never get together enough people to go with them, and the Democraps take advantage of that by doing nothing but babbeling in generic terms about "change", never specifying anything. Thus we have the Obamanation for 8 long ugly years. Hillary is trying to capitalize on the same thing with her generic "I'm for you, middle class" and pretending she actually knows what "middle class" means.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    That will soon be reality, I am thinking, it is too good an opportunity to get sheep to buy into, and blame someone for "Global Warming" and force them to pay. Even though, as I see it, China is a primary culprit who has raised their middle finger to everyone.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Someday I have to study the real limits of companies not negotiating with unions.

    The teamsters are on my list of unhealthy US institutions.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Here's the dirtyi little secret. The powers that be are more than willing to install your smart tax and keep the dumb ones. they love any kind of taxation. Besides to their way of thinking it's their money.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I just used Google. Seattle at one billion per mile for their new Light Rail was second behind the big time winner of Boston on their system. The much at the time maligned BART in San Francisco is chump change by todays standards

    No wonder they can't hook up the Southern Pacific line in the Louisiana Texas area or the west coast railroad which has two bus sections from Sacramento to LA unless you take the coast route at 24 hours extra travel time etc. etc. etc. Why build European style bullet trains when there's no infrastructure to carry the speed. Why improve bus service when the stations more often than not are in high crime ghetto areas. Why improve air travel when it's being used as tool of oppression?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    hmmm

    1. From viability in the event of premature birth and no last second abortion as a right of citizenship. Before that I agree with abortion. Afterwards it is not the Mothers right to murder.

    2. 2. Ditto

    3. Negative. It's a failed institution number one with a 60% failure rate or higher. No one's business as long as their is no child or spousal abuse etc.

    So we all have our differences. Here's the answer. Each defines their sacred ground where they won't give a centimeter. Those that have a common center form not a party where no deviation is allowed but a coalition with emphasis on what is attainable. The rest will follow.

    Oh yes and ignore the Devils Secular Congregation which is a polite way of saying if they support evil at any level they are themselves evil. So...Dumbos and Repos get behind me.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Some Teamsters contracts are interesting. They are based on percentage of minimum wage. Around the year 2000 that went up, delivery costs to the stores went up and the nickel candy bar of my youth became fifty cents and half the size.Guess who supports minimum wage increases instead of asking for a regular pay increase. The hamburger flippers did not share in that largess as the 25 cent hamburger special at Mcdonalds, the one dollar menu and more disappeared. All just fifteen short years ago.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Some years ago when gas 85 cents or so Oregon put in a five cents a gallon per for three years so fifteen cents a gallon total tax. That was on the at the pump price. Now they are going for rubber on the road. All that's left is the exhaust. Carbon tax anyone?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Mexico at present.. at various times most of the world. This one is a 10m 32' Westerly Berwick heavily modified.
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  • Posted by jnnrd54 10 years ago
    I bet the fool legislators in Californica are pissed they were not able to pull this off first.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually look above, the Constitution party is 90% there. I just believe if you want to say "Freedom" you have to take the good with the bad. You can't restrict Freedom to decide on your own health matters, and then say Freedom for guns or laws. Non-sequitur Other than that I would go with them..
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    No, I have no idea where such data would be, I assume it is not in plain sight. Even sheep can get scared....
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Go to Pittsburgh Fri?sat and you can meet them. I love the idea, but they go off the edge with their 7 Principles;
    1. Life for all human beings:
    from conception to natural death.
    I do not want to tell anyone or have any tell me about what I consider to be a personal decision, but thats just me.
    2. Freedom of conscience and actions
    for the self-governed individual.
    I'm ok with this.
    3. One husband and one wife with their children,
    as divinely instituted.
    Again, the Constitution does not say anything about this, that I know of, and I abhor telling anyone what to do, as long as it is not impressed on me. Marry a football for all I care.

    Those are the 2 biiges, the third and all the rest they have are all ok, and seem sort of objectivist to me. They have 90% of what I believe in, I just wish they would leave religion and personal choices out of the discussion. That would make it a great party to go with.

    http://www.constitutionparty.com/

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