Good reason..............as I said in a different thread concerning NV & AZ ...............the building of an altruist "caliphate"..........hmmmm?

As soon as I can afford to move, I'm leaving the looters to their state. I just hope the new neighbors in Texas or Tennessee don't see I'm from California and decide I must be one of them, come to ruin that state, too.

I think you'll find that many of the people with California license plates moving in down the street are the sane folks who have escaped the asylum called California. I escaped this year and have no intention to return, except for short visits. When we moved our first acts were to change the license plates, get Utah driver's licenses and register to vote in Utah where my vote actually means something.

Lived in the LA and Phoenix for many years before I left for my gulch. The small problem I see with moving production to arziona is they get their water from the same place as southern California the Colorado River where the snow pack is way down. Could import more through Mexico. In any case to ramp up enough production takes time which means skyrocket prices for a tomato. I look at food prices at the store it's not getting cheaper for people. All this makes me glad I grow a very large part of my consumption.

Things change...Arizona is capable of growing quite a bit of produce as are other States. Sure, there will be a period of adjustment but it can be done provided it must to meet demand.

We all must understand that 1/3 of our produce comes from California. If the farmers don't get the water to grow food no food you that don't produce your own and preserve for the winter are going to get hungry if things don't change this is all across the US. More Great civilization's have failed for a lack of food. To me this isn't a California problem it's a national problem.

True dat...Jefferson is my favorite from our history...in fact I have a replica of the Houdon bust of TJ that I bought at Monticello sitting here on my desk. My political philosophy evolved from reading his writings and biographies about the man.

Okay, and you're going to get what you seek... just how? Therein lies the real problem. The Rulers decide, from the candidates to the policies to the wars, while We can while from one election to the next to the next ad nauseum.

Whenever the Great Collapse, governments and rulers will be out of business around this planet. Then, from the depth of hardship and despair, will mankind finally realize that being Governed is the cause, so never create another? That, or will mankind simply become extinct?

Call them whatever you wish, other than "liberal". I like "collectivist" as it covers the spectrum, thus avoiding the inevitable tedium over the several varieties, all of which lead directly to tyrannical Force. The shades of difference are quite small while all of them are blood brothers.

None of those could exist without a government to host them!

Well, there is also enforcement of the law. And that's far from given under the current Administration.

If we could get the governments out of the conservation business, I suspect the problem will cure itself. That being a pipe dream, I see no hope, unless some people who think correctly get into state legislatures and know WTF they're doing.

Thanks for filling me in. There has been lots of talk on XM radio, the patriot channel about China taking land or mineral rights for the debt. It good to know our politicians can't collateralize the land.

YES....Maybe even put up a wall and keep them in the place of their dreams.

While I would agree in principle, my wife (a Linguistics grad) will tell you that word meanings change over time with general use. If the general population begin associating a word with a different meaning, the word's meaning actually changes - whether you are an etymological purist or not. In today's vernacular, the word "liberal" doesn't mean anything like that espoused by Jefferson - and society is worse off for the change.

If we're going to substitute words, why don't we just call them socialists!

So true.

Actually it is not just Arizona. Every state has that problem, whether it be California in AZ or CO or NM or NV. It could also be NY plates in places like Florida or either Carolina or Virginia or any other place. It could also be any out of state license in Texas. Take your pick, they are all bad and bring the Blue Cancer with them.

That's a scary thought.

When I was in grade school, in the clutches of the good nuns, a conservative was one who wanted things to remain the same, and a liberal was one who wanted to change things. Under those definitions, I'm afraid that I'm a liberal; just not in the sense that the Left envisions it. I want things to change; smaller, less intrusive government, fiscal and social responsibility and an armed-the-teeth military who doesn't give a damn about 'Political Correctness'...just how to break things and hurt people.

by using liberal in that way you only aid and abet the corruption of the language and dictionaries. There are a ton of more coherent words. I suggest you use something else which would clearly define the proponents of Force.
I do agree that most everything we try to fix these days is an exercise in futility

While states can't declare bankruptcy, like cities can, in theory California has to live with the system it inflicted on itself. Unfortunately, we should be prepared to see the biggest FEMA rescue in history, after Brown throws up his hands and asks for disaster aid. Exactly how FEMA is going to deliver the water needed is another story, but the rest of the country will bear the cost, regardless.

While this in theory sounds good, it is actually US law that prohibits a foreign government from owning any land in the United States except an Embassy. Private citizens and foreign corporations may, but that land is still subject to US laws. And it can be confiscated in time of war with that foreign nation.

I would point out that the liberals of today have completely redefined the word to the exact opposite of Jefferson's use, so I think you're engaging in futility here. Second, no one today reads Jefferson but those who would know the difference anyhow!

Scorch Pow! +100

wanna read a fascinating story about letting CA
inherit its consequences?

http://www.amazon.com/Unsustainable-Tuck...

I edited this book, and it's good! -- j

They already own it.