P.S. I's still rather be living in Wyoming!

4WD doe not equal 4W stop, or 4W steer. idiots.

Hello Eudaimonia,
When I worked in the panhandle of Oklahoma, my first winter was shocking (I learned to drive in snow country years before). The locals seemed to only have two positions on their gas and brake pedals, full on or full off. 1/4" of snow and they were spinning out all over the place. This was of course long before traction control and anti-lock. Fortunately the snow was always short lived.
Regards,
O.A.

Tempting, very tempting. I still have snow scattered around my yard up here in NH.

Thanks. I have a friend who is an over the road trucker. I think we was going to Oregon, but he goes that way a lot.

From what the guy in the video was saying, I'm assuming he's a trucker, but that wasn't clear, 2 truckers hi balling caused the whole thing. There really is no need for hi-balling any longer. The scales electronically track you when you go through, so you can no longer run double log books.

Between Cheyenne and Laramie.

You all are invited to the Melbourne, FL Gulch! It is in the low 80's today.

Where in Wyoming was this? Near Cheyenne? I am surprised the gates hadn't come down. I like Wyoming's gates, except when you get caught between them.

I really hated working fatal accidents.

Pickups are even worse than SUVs when it comes to getting drifty. Worse front weight bias than an SUV and default rear wheel drive. So the wheels with the best traction are not the driven wheels.

When I married Db and had to travel west through western Kansas-I thought it was crazy that there were actual gates that would close off exits on the interstate. I mean, we get snow in IOwa-lots of it. Turns out it's snow and wind. huh, who knew? One time Aristo somehow got us through a bad one Cheyenne west to Salt Lake for a tennis tournament in APRIL. crawling with suburban at 10mph. trucks off the road. we traveled maybe 60 miles before we realized they had closed the interstate.

"knock knock
who's there?
Physics"

Claire, Modern Family

You're not joking.

Joan and I got caught in a white-out storm in late Feb early March.
We were on a state highway in CO that runs through Cheyenne WY.
40 miles away from home, the snow got ridiculous and we were crawling along at 10 mph.

The sides of the road were littered with 4wd/awd trucks.
It was weird and creepy.
There were a couple of cars that had run off the road, but it was obvious that they were driving rationally and hit a bad patch.
Their damage was minimal.

The 4wd/awds, however, were demolished.
All of them flipped over.

Too many people think 4wd/awd is a mystical talisman against accidents.
Yeah, ok.

Yes indeed.

When I'm doing under 20 in the right lane in my SUV and you blast past me at 50+, I will likely see you off the road further up.

People have this weird delusion about 4wd/awd. It helps you start moving, but does not help you stop. We all have 4 wheel brakes. But to see some of the twits in winter you would think owning a Volvo or anything with 4wd/awd makes you immune to the laws of physics.

Trust me, if I'm crawling along in my highly capable SUV, you should seriously reconsider driving faster.

This is why we learn, and practice [and practice and practice and practice] defensive driving - which includes driving 10 mph if you have to to be safe.
It snowed in Colorado today, too. I think I have 2 or 3" on the grass, nothing building up in the street except slush. It was, however, REALLY coming down earlier, with reduced visibility - we stayed inside.