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We Never Had To Take Any Of It Seriously, Did We?

Posted by khalling 9 years, 1 month ago to Philosophy
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"Let me begin by saying that this is perhaps the most important point in the whole book, because it is the condensed emotional summation, the keynote or leitmotif, of the view of life presented in Atlas Shrugged.

What Dagny expresses here is the conviction that joy, exaltation, beauty, greatness, heroism, all the supreme, uplifting values of man's existence on earth, are the meaning of life—not the pain or ugliness he may encounter—that one must live for the sake of such exalted moments as one may be able to achieve or experience, not for the sake of suffering—that happiness matters, but suffering does not—that no matter how much pain one may have to endure, it is never to be taken seriously, that is: never to be taken as the essence and meaning of life—that the essence of life is the achievement of joy, not the escape from pain." AR
"No, we never did." AS


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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 1 month ago
    This article says The Virtue of Selfishness explains how fundamental values need not come from self-serving edicts or a set of concocted whims. This is powerful because I thought if you try to use reason to get core values, there's no starting point, so you end up in circular reasoning. I have Virtue of Selfishness waiting to be picked up at the library.

    When Dagny said we never had to take it seriously, I thought she meant she was able to ignore the looters and focus on her business until she physically crashed into the Gulch. This is saying the point was not be defined by opposition to the looters but rather by what I loosely call humanism.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    want a saturday night treat, from my zany collection
    of special music? . try this little gem:::

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuI23wEa...

    she's british, now in her 40s, and has been playing the
    guitar since she was 5. . the song was written by
    Queen's lead guitarist, Brian May, himself a PhD
    in astrophysics. . whatta world!!! . we never had to
    take it seriously, did we? -- j

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  • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I know, and I appreciated it. Hope I didn't seem ungrateful. I just feel so much that everybody here is so knowledgable and thoughtful, especially including you. I enjoy your posts
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, Emma;;; I understand -- it was intended as a
    compliment to your excellence!!! -- j

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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    it's like looking back at a grueling hill which you just
    had to climb, to survive. . when you get to the top,
    all of the preceding torture looks like just so much
    trivia, small in the rear-view-mirror, like being here
    is now effortless. . you're floating above it all, free
    from the shackles which formerly held you down.

    it's total celebratory freedom, unfettered. . she got it, right. -- j

    p.s. this is a spot where prose functions as poetry, imho.

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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    doctor, this little line is the expression of the why --
    why we live, why we strive so hard, why we work
    our butts off and endure the tough times, the hell
    on earth -- to get ... *here.* . all of the prose went to
    supply us with a little perfect poetry ... *here.* -- j

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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 1 month ago
    I missed this post, and want to thank you for reminding
    me of this spot in the book. . it is probably the most
    delicious place in there. . wonderful. . Thank You! -- j

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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, it makes sense. I was only agreeing that it was something that needed more thought than it should have to get Ayn's point. I am spoiled because she is usually so explicit and drives home points in a direct way. At least I usually "think" I got it immediately. Liberals feel they got her writing, too ;^)
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  • Posted by 9 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I, too, felt confusion. but even brilliant ones like me :) say stuff with no context once in awhile. does it now make sense, or are you still wondering?
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 1 month ago
    When I read that, I thought it was among the most poorly written attempts at putting an idea into words that Rand ever wrote.
    I still think so. I agree with the idea.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I have always said that most do not get this line in AS-myself included for many years, after reading the book. I had to embrace it , though, while db and I were making plans to leave our business, family, and friends behind to leave the US. I thought Rand was talking to me with this line when I was affirming in my heart-"yes, it's personal." (You've Got Mail) but she wasn't. it's still personal and A is A but I'm not to dwell on it. so I won't. Enjoy your day in the gulch, mama
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Rich, many times those happy times are just there. I don't feel that I have to fight for them, although they are a consequence of the way I have lived and the choices I have made. The exalted times flow from a life well lived.
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 1 month ago
    If there is one thing I have learned in life it is that there will be the hard times, the painful times, but all that matters are the happy times, the times full of joy. So when the hard times are here I live through them and do what is necessary, but I see them as fleeting and essentially unimportant. It is the happy times, especially the exalted times that I embrace. Those times are where I live.
    It took me a helluva long time to come to this, and I enjoyed immensely reading your post, wherein it is clarified.
    Thanks, khalling!
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  • Posted by richrobinson 9 years, 1 month ago
    How can something so simple be so hard to do? I don't think I'll ever attain the level of clarity that Ayn Rand had. I know things in my life that bring me joy and frustration. I think those are the things worth fighting for.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    thanks for not bringing up the roach clips- cuz I never got that. anyway, focus on the happiness.I need to be reminded of this. often, I want to smack the happiness followers. I don't know what to call them. actually I do...but I will be ..........myself. enjoy
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 9 years, 1 month ago
    I want to spend my time where I find joy and happiness and productiveness, not flim flamming around in a fish bowl getting crapped on.
    Excellent post, kh. Thank you for it and for so so many other things you've posted and said. You were a big part of my joy in the gulch. Love you!
    ....BANG! (Said the pistol.)
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