STOP using paper bags they are bad for the environment, you are killing trees. HERE use these nifty petroleum based plastic bags instead.
Circa 2010: Lunatic Liberals: STOP using plastic bags they are bad for the environment, they do not degrade!!! HERE use these neat paper bags, they use renewable resources like trees...
This is the cycle of the DUMBASS liberals that we allow to run our lives by electing DUMBASS liberals to run our lives, which ironically is not liberal at all but more like controlling dictators...
Since our local grocery store has switched to paper because of a county ban on plastic a significant portion of our waste has become paper bags. We could keep months worth of plastic bags in a small space for use walking the dog etc.
I was bemoaning the fact that the ban was going to go statewide this year, when I did a search to fill in the date and found there is hope: instead of going into effect July 1, it is now on hold pending a referendum to repeal it.
I can get many, many re-uses out of paper bags. Also they make GREAT starters for fireplaces, perfect construction paper for kids projects.
Paper bags perfect for freezing fish in, better than newspaper. LOTS more uses for paper bags than plastic. Perfect for making love to that ugly girl or guy, can have a one or two bagger night lol. You can see through most plastic bags.
I despised plastic bags. They made baggers lazy, because you can pack 10x as much in a paper bag if packed properly.
Here's the fallacy in the premise. Paper leads to advertising and advertising leads to ink and ink leads to eventual leeching into the ground water or if burn't toxic air. Plastic can be separated and put in one spot in the dump or elsewhere. We used to do that with the idea of a plastic mine. In Mexico it's common to sell plastic to a collector along with beer and coke cans and even the pop tops. Anyway the comment has more to do with think it through. Paper? OK. Printed paper which was more newsprint and phone books not ok.
we recycle both;;; the paper ones either start fires in the woodstove or hold "mixed paper" for recycle, and the plastic ones hold groceries. . again. -- j
The essence of the liberal mindset is that intentions are more important than reality. The intent of the new light bulbs were to "save the earth", even though the earth is no danger. The fact that the solution created something with far greater ecological impact than generating the electricity is beside the point -- it's intentions that count.
Similarly in the great AGW battle, while efforts are proposed to solve the 'problem' with government control and taxation (somehow taxes are always the solution), none of the proposed efforts would have significant affect on the outcome -- even if their theories were correct. The are just "a step in the right direction". Intentions over reality, of course.
They pride Germany on photo-voltaic electricity even though that actually results in more coal burning to keep an even flow of power than the nuclear they replaced. Once again causing greater damage to the environment but with good intentions.
I like LED's too, and if the testing continues to progress (and assuming rationality in the electric generation industry), soon the pollution of coal electric generation will be cut in half by a new invention.
I like LED light bulbs also. The power savings cut my utility bill a bit and I have yet to have one require replacement.
My utility company provided generous rebates on LED bulbs a while ago and even gave some away, hoping to save enough consumption to avoid building a new power plant. So far they have succeeded, so....savings for them, savings for me. Works for me.
The major question, of course, is choice. For the moment, I am free to purchase any sort of light bulb I want. If I was REQUIRED to buy LED bulbs at many times the price of an incandescent or compact fluorescent, I would be very unhappy.
out of the 3 corn bulbs which we have burned, long-term, one has failed (forensics indeterminate) and the other 2 are still burning, after months and months of daily use -- about 14 hours per day. these cheapies are not the highest quality bulbs available, I'm sure. -- j
I resent the fact they cost so much and the government forces me to use them. As a result, I just buy fewer bulbs in total and leave them off more of the time. My living standard is decreased as a result, but it would be anyway by the amount I would have to spend on the LED bulbs.
I heard about the ban a few years before it went into effect, so I started stocking up. I am now 56, with an inventory of around 60 or so incandescent light bulbs, of varying power from 60-100 watts. At the rate I have to replace burned out bulbs (maybe 1 or 2 per year), I am set for life - just like my supply of ammo. Maybe the "peppers" weren't so paranoid after all? :-)
nice find. He did miss the fact that GE lobbied heavily for this ban-as a mature industry-they needed you to pay for those fluorescents. and we didn't make a peep
And the looters want to jam through the TPP agreement without any review to make that automatic. If the government resists the international tribunal will impose billions in damages (and lilkely fines to pay the "impartial" judges a fortune.
They're not idiots, they're cronies. The lightbulb makers got a few years where you had to buy $15 CFLs because 50 cent incandescents aren't available anymore.
Want to know what else? Because CFL's are manufactured and sealed using mercury, they can't be produced in the United States. So one of the other great side-effects is that now we're forced to IMPORT all our light bulbs from China, Singapore, etc.
Good thing the Dark Center is in a former swamp. Physics requires flowing downhill... even when a lot of someone else's money is wasted in a futile attempt to change that. Did I say "former" swamp?
Government takes any problem out there and builds it up in order to increase its power. It probably also uses the change in the economy it creates to get contributions from those companies that seek to sell the new products required.
If you have not bought a gas can in the last few years, you will find another government ban waiting for you.
The new style government approved cans, are just about the dumbest thing I have ever seen. They take forever to fill with, are prone to break, and spill more gas than would ever be released by the fumes.
But of course, the feds know what is best for you!
BTW: Aftermarket kits are available to adapt these new cans to old style spout, but don't waste your time looking for a sensible gas can, You'll just be told "they don't make them anymore!" Couldn't help but think of Rand as I searched for one last week.
LED lamps would, in a free market, eventually make incandescent lamps almost obsolete anyway. They have most of the benefits, and few drawbacks. The greatest drawback is the high relative cost, but that higher cost is actually maintained by LEDs no longer having to freely compete with the cheap incandescent technology.
Not entirely. We generally do not use higher wattage bulbs in our house so we can still get incandescent bulbs at a good price.
Nevertheless, I've gone through and replaced the incandescent (and the couple of flurecsents -- the ones that haven't self destructed yet) with leds because they do save electrical costs and I like the daylight color I can get.
Of course if we had a rational electric generation policy, electricity wouldn't cost as much but that's out of my personal control.
Filaments are very delicate, and most of incandescent production cost is in making its perfectly sealed chamber. LEDs are robust silicon slices, which don't need that protection. In the very long term, I believe, LEDs will simply compete on price as well, but that is slowed by the government removing one type of competition.
You might be surprised, but because LED's require voltage regulation via printed circuits, disposal of LED-based bulbs is actually worse than CFL's on a one-to-one basis. I like them from a power-consumption standpoint, but they aren't going to win any eco-friendly awards despite the liberals' claptrap.
I have seen data that indicates LED lighting "bulbs' should have a life 5-6 times that of CFLs. That could make them more eco friendly. In addition, my personal experience with CFL's has been that the life claims are exaggerated. In my house they last no longer than incandescents. I have had to replace every one under warranty.
Same here on lifespan thing. Despite the claims right on the box, I've never seen a CFL used in my house last longer than six months, yet they cost 12x as much as even high-quality incandescent bulbs. No thanks.
Good point about disposal, blarman. Maybe the longer life might compensate, but also maybe it is more practical to recycle printed circuit than a CFL (I don't know, just guessing)
Several years ago, angered at the light bulb mandates, I bought several boxes of incandescent bulbs. My thought was I'll have them and use them until I die, or maybe sell them on the black market as a retirement plan. Now I have mostly LEDs, so I have several boxes of light bulbs and a failed plan. "Life is what happens while you're planning." -- John Lennon
And they would have been developed earlier without government decrees and interference suppressing the economy, and lining the pockets of government and corporate looters.
CFL's suck -- of course they do, they are mandated by the elites. LED's (created by people finding better right answers) are pretty good and save energy. Private sector once again out performs the bureaucrats. In cost per mile over the life of the vehicles, including all cost, a Hummer is cheaper than a Prius -- that is, it conserves more resources. Funny how liberals always say the opposite of what they mean. Their goals are REGRESSIVE. the wish to regress society back to kings, and knights and (other) war lords. We should always make the point to call them the proper thing (regressives, illiberals, anti-socialist, etc.)
years ago, the warm glow of incandescent bulbs and the warmth of 25 ASA kodachrome slide film made some very fine photos for me. . like the one of the first intimate woman in my life. . the precious incandescent will forever live in my life, and I am hoarding a few. -- j
The whole ban is a diversion to keep everyone from looking directly at the truth. It is all an illusion. "They" learned from Hitler and he learned from those before him. Both the Republican party and the Democratic party are the same--a diversion from the truth. Fight among us as they go along with "their" plan.
I think I might be losing it. I used to think that Libs just didn't think things through. Or, they had a Bill Ayers type agenda. I even thought that the catch-phrase "Liberalism is a mental disorder" was just a convenient way of showing their stupidity. But Liberalism can now be seen as a destructive spiral down into oblivion. It is so hard for me to believe that the Libs are That crazy, and I'm beginning to think that maybe it's me who is nuts. I'll need to have my wife throw some cold water in my face.
It's not you, Herb. They believe they are immune to the consequences of their actions because they are the ones wise enough to conduct life for everyone. 'There will be some losers in every action but it will never be me.'
they are committed to forcing their envisioned Utopia into existence, against the laws of the universe. their delusion, like groupthink, has increased recently, since the media have become so involved in the propaganda portion of the "deal." -- j
I don't care about paper or plastic; LED, real bulbs, or the gross counterfeit bulbs. The problem is the government has no business in telling consumers what to buy. Then the market of ideas will rule.
Well, what I try to do is to get light bulbs to use that are not made in a totalitarian state. And that has become increasingly difficult. I did find some made in Hungary, but was dubious about that, Hun gary having been previously a member of the Soviet block. But I went to a neighbor's house and he let me use the computer to look up the latest information on it. It seemed to be accept- able (who knows whether I'll find out that that was wrong?), so I went to the store and bought a slew of those packages. So that will last me for a while.
Liberals Lunatics:
STOP using paper bags they are bad for the environment, you are killing trees. HERE use these nifty petroleum based plastic bags instead.
Circa 2010:
Lunatic Liberals:
STOP using plastic bags they are bad for the environment, they do not degrade!!! HERE use these neat paper bags, they use renewable resources like trees...
This is the cycle of the DUMBASS liberals that we allow to run our lives by electing DUMBASS liberals to run our lives, which ironically is not liberal at all but more like controlling dictators...
http://www.ted.com/talks/leyla_acaroglu_...
Jan
I was bemoaning the fact that the ban was going to go statewide this year, when I did a search to fill in the date and found there is hope: instead of going into effect July 1, it is now on hold pending a referendum to repeal it.
Jan
Paper bags perfect for freezing fish in, better than newspaper. LOTS more uses for paper bags than plastic. Perfect for making love to that ugly girl or guy, can have a one or two bagger night lol. You can see through most plastic bags.
I despised plastic bags. They made baggers lazy, because you can pack 10x as much in a paper bag if packed properly.
Jan, had to reread the middle paragraph twice to make sure you really said that...
in the woodstove or hold "mixed paper" for recycle,
and the plastic ones hold groceries. . again. -- j
Similarly in the great AGW battle, while efforts are proposed to solve the 'problem' with government control and taxation (somehow taxes are always the solution), none of the proposed efforts would have significant affect on the outcome -- even if their theories were correct. The are just "a step in the right direction". Intentions over reality, of course.
They pride Germany on photo-voltaic electricity even though that actually results in more coal burning to keep an even flow of power than the nuclear they replaced. Once again causing greater damage to the environment but with good intentions.
And everyone knows what paves the road to hell.
I do like LED light bulbs, though.
My utility company provided generous rebates on LED bulbs a while ago and even gave some away, hoping to save enough consumption to avoid building a new power plant. So far they have succeeded, so....savings for them, savings for me. Works for me.
The major question, of course, is choice. For the moment, I am free to purchase any sort of light bulb I want. If I was REQUIRED to buy LED bulbs at many times the price of an incandescent or compact fluorescent, I would be very unhappy.
"tmart" -- http://www.tmart.com/search.html?q=LED+b...
-- j
decent. . not incandescent quality, but good. -- j
floodlights which are going under the eaves, as the
old ones fail, are kinda expensive. -- j
p.s. here's an inexpensive corn bulb
which you might like::: http://www.miniinthebox.com/marsing-e27-...
p.p.s. and a round bulb::: http://www.tmart.com/search.html?attr_m_...
long-term, one has failed (forensics indeterminate)
and the other 2 are still burning, after months and
months of daily use -- about 14 hours per day.
these cheapies are not the highest quality bulbs
available, I'm sure. -- j
We have to find a productive use for our anger.
Jan
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=eart...
OMMMMMMMMMMMMMM . . . . .
Old dino been mad a long time ago. Now I'm just sarcastic.
Did I say "former" swamp?
you know, Emma, like the ones against whom
we cannot idiot-proof anything. -- j
Europeans figured out a far superior solution. They have two flush buttons, little and big. Probably legislated there too.
The new style government approved cans, are just about the dumbest thing I have ever seen. They take forever to fill with, are prone to break, and spill more gas than would ever be released by the fumes.
But of course, the feds know what is best for you!
BTW: Aftermarket kits are available to adapt these new cans to old style spout, but don't waste your time looking for a sensible gas can, You'll just be told "they don't make them anymore!" Couldn't help but think of Rand as I searched for one last week.
Nevertheless, I've gone through and replaced the incandescent (and the couple of flurecsents -- the ones that haven't self destructed yet) with leds because they do save electrical costs and I like the daylight color I can get.
Of course if we had a rational electric generation policy, electricity wouldn't cost as much but that's out of my personal control.
In the very long term, I believe, LEDs will simply compete on price as well, but that is slowed by the government removing one type of competition.
Now I have mostly LEDs, so I have several boxes of light bulbs and a failed plan.
"Life is what happens while you're planning." -- John Lennon
In cost per mile over the life of the vehicles, including all cost, a Hummer is cheaper than a Prius -- that is, it conserves more resources.
Funny how liberals always say the opposite of what they mean. Their goals are REGRESSIVE. the wish to regress society back to kings, and knights and (other) war lords. We should always make the point to call them the proper thing (regressives, illiberals, anti-socialist, etc.)
and the warmth of 25 ASA kodachrome slide film
made some very fine photos for me. . like the one
of the first intimate woman in my life. . the precious
incandescent will forever live in my life, and I am
hoarding a few. -- j
remarkable what you will find when you read or reread what Ayn Rand wrote 50 or 60 years ago.
into existence, against the laws of the universe.
their delusion, like groupthink, has increased
recently, since the media have become so involved
in the propaganda portion of the "deal." -- j
p.s. Rand was soooooooooo right.
that are not made in a totalitarian state. And that
has become increasingly difficult. I did find some
made in Hungary, but was dubious about that, Hun
gary having been previously a member of the
Soviet block. But I went to a neighbor's house
and he let me use the computer to look up the
latest information on it. It seemed to be accept-
able (who knows whether I'll find out that that
was wrong?), so I went to the store and bought
a slew of those packages. So that will last me
for a while.
(Note that I have no financial ties, this just happened to be from a quick Google search.)