And The Good News Just Keeps Coming...
I'm curious...how does the fact that she studied hard and made honors class benefit the school? I should think that it's the other way around. Further, how does that fact that she prospered scholastically translate to permission to violate the school dress code?
I guess I'm just getting old...
I guess I'm just getting old...
What people want to wear is their business.
I might laugh at them because I think they look funny.
I have that right too.
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Since when do students announce what they are wearing to prom? Why not just show up in a tux if that's what you want to wear? How does the principal even know this before hand? Seems trumped up for attention.
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He didn't make a federal case of it. He just said he was glad not to have to make a silly speech.
This distracting bullshite nevers stops, and that's the way the media and our precious rulers want it.
WWARS.. What Would Ayn Rand Say about that?
Jeez! This IS the Gulch, still, isn't it?
People at that age in that era were fighting other political battles with more immediate consequences: the draft and the Viet Nam War. Kids were being called cowards for taking college deferments from the draft. A few others were leaving for Canada to avoid the draft. I'm guessing he decided to fight the battles that meant more at the time, and everyone in the school knew Hank Rearden from Jim Taggart.
Where I agree is the impact that the religious zealots of my faith is so counter-productive.
I have two teenage boys that have chosen to be non-believers. Their teachers, popular culture and many other factors reinforce that choice. Then the ineptitude of those who believe drive it home.
If I have misjudged your predisposition jdg, sorry.
Back in 1981, my girlfriend and I were "cross dressers" for the Halloween dance. I went as a cheerleader and she as a football player - with each of us using the official uniforms (although I did have to trade up for a larger size that the cheer coach provided). Nice humor and my hairy legs were quite the hit.
Granted everyone understood we were just kidding. However, I was dressed much more inappropriately than this young person will be in a tux.
On a more serious note, all the school has achieved is giving these kids a chance to jump up on the platform and make their position sympathetic. Mission Not Accomplished.
It sounds to me like the principal has a bug up his ear about this, and has told the teachers that they had better go along with him. (If this were in my area, I would be tempted to do something about this personally.)
Jan
As an aside, however, I know that many students themselves look at Prom night as a big deal and don't want it ruined by self-centered people only seeking attention like this girl obviously wants to be. She's getting the attention she wants, but she doesn't have the right to disrupt everyone else's plans to suit her own sense of self-aggrandizement. We've got enough narcissism in the White House.
The issue as I see it is if one person's petty demand for attention gets to ruin a major life event for hundreds of others. I say no.
The age of adulthood should be lowered so that nobody old enough to think for themselves has to put up with this kind of tyranny.
And changing the age of adulthood is a red herring. The issue is whether or not the school has the right - by hosting and paying for the event - to determine who can go and under what conditions. If you say that they have to accommodate her petty demands for attention, you are saying that no business or other institution has the right to freedom of association: that no business has the right like Hank Reardon when approached by the Science Institute to say "Sorry, I'm not selling to you." I can't support the tyranny that forces someone else's values on me, and I'm surprised anyone on this forum would either.
It IS HER prom... What's your point?
#2. "She wouldn't be able to throw her own party." I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion at all. Teenagers do it all the time. Now because she is a minor she might not be able to rent a facility without a parent or guardian to co-sign, but I don't see that as an unconditional prohibition or exclusion, simply a cost. The fact is that she's unwilling to pay that cost. She wants everyone else to pay those costs for her, yet cede to her the "right" to policy-making! She's got everything she needs to be a politician, that's for sure, but to me, she's nothing more than a looter.
No. A juvenile is entitled to "mooch" off his parents until he has the legal ability to pay his own way, because his parents created him dependent on them. Once he gets rights then responsibilities will come with them.
Precisely. This young lady has no rights - either to demand service or otherwise.
The sad part is every part of our society has failed and todays twerkers are yesterdays gangbangers -which used to have the same meaning and worse are tomorrows teachers., Little wonder the military is having a hard time finding recruits as among other reasons I would find the constitution worth fighting for but can't say the same for the citizens Next time let them pick up a rifle and go to the front. I'll be the won working to reinstate a government and all that goes with it.
As for dress code I see it doing great things in other countries where the emphasis is on education. It's hard to tell who is from an affluent family and who not. All else aside it's excelling in the classroom that separates wheat from chaff. Sports are after school elsewhere and the level of education is far higher, far earlier. Without being militaristic.
I did have kids and all GED'd out of the public school system as soon as possible and started JC at age 15 and 16. Not owning any land in the county and other than the part added to rent I also didn't waste much money on the school system until tuition at JC and above began. Same with most of the neighbors to one degree or another. By then the offspring had qualified for academic scholarships and the boys never did sign that volunteer for the draft card at 18, Not until he, the neighbor's kid joined USMC.Good thing otherwise he wouldn't have been allowed a government job ha ha ha.
This is why the states with the highest rates of teen pregnancy are the ones that insist on "abstinence only" sex "education".
The problem began when they had a small group of students who wore extremely provocative clothing and began forming "twerking" circles. If you're not familiar with this, it's basically where a group forms a circle around a couple in order to watch them have sex there on the dance floor. The administrators cancelled the rest of that year's dances and the next year students who wanted to attend a dance had to sign a statement when they paid for their tickets that said they would abide by the rules of conduct and dress standards - just like they would for any concert or similar event - or they would not only get forcibly removed from the event but face school disciplinary proceedings.
But once again I think the point of confusion that occurs again and again and will continue to occur is that this is a public school. So let the politics begin.
If this were a private school, I don't think anyone would disagree that if the school were private, it can set the dress code, and far beyond the prom.
I can give two examples of private schools of different "persuasions": a local Catholic "boys" high school where the daily dress code was what we now would call "business casual": dress shirt, dress pants, no jeans allowed. Not too fascist. (For our nearby arch-rival: full suit and tie.) For the prom: boys in tuxes, girls in formal dresses. Another example, which I only observed as a local resident, was a "Steiner Method" school in the Berkshires of MA. (Steiner I think I can conservatively say "leans Left"). As far as I could tell, there was no dress code at all. I don't think dreds were required, but they were the dominant hairstyle, both male and female. I couldn't really say if they had a prom, but I highly doubt it. If they did, I'm sure a female tux would be unusual, but allowed.
Is there a right or wrong between those two examples? I don't think so.
As far as the school of topic, let the "public" fight it out...
Students need to be made to dress in a business appropriate attire. This way they are prepared for what will be expected of them in the work force after graduation.
It is true that they will work in a wide variety of positions but they must be conditioned to meet the demands of their future bosses. I have seen several students leave school and then lose jobs due to the same issues that they had while in school.