Freedom of Speech - unless it's about Christ????

Posted by stargeezer 11 years, 3 months ago to Culture
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At what point does separation of church and state become state as church or the only acceptable religion becoming no religion??

It seems that in 50 years we have moved from prayer being acceptable in school to the point where efforts are made to strip any reference to religion from school. In effect raising the state as God to fill the vacuum left in the lives of the students.


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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm talking about increased energy states, not acquired energy like
    "being warmed by the sun".

    Do you understand biochemistry or physics? Energy levels in a biologic tissue degrade, they do NOT increase. Next, thermodynamics demands that energies flow from energetic sources to lessor energetic matters. This is fundamental. In order for biological nervous actions to become more developed, their abilities to control energy must improve over time. THIS is where your entire ball of twine unravels. In real life, those levels degrade with time. Exactly the opposite of what is required.

    Sorry.
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  • Posted by daneomac 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Please explain how energy levels can increase, which is what is required for evolution to be a reality."

    The sun. Our planet is not a closed system.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    how is illustrating historical fact anti-Christian? There are agenda-driven atheists. I think most just don't want to be hit over the head with any religious agenda. for instance: National Day of Prayer. somehow the country got along just fine running its business without this until 1952. From this year on-a not insignificant amount of effort has gone into making this a recognized holiday-including an evangelistic organization, self-appointed, to orchestrate how all federal employees should observe the Day-first something or other in May. THAT's agenda, and atheists don't appreciate it.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's not funny that science contradicts science. Good science invites criticism.

    The American Revolution comes after the Renaissance when a mechanistic world view began to hold sway after a thousand years of the middle ages (aka the Dark Ages). It's laughable to say superstition paved the way for our modern society.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And when atheists use their religion as an excuse to bully another student?
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You mean Galt was evil?

    pros·e·ly·tize
    verb \ˈprä-s(ə-)lə-ˌtīz\

    : to try to persuade people to join a religion, cause, or group
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Why does everyone automatically pose atheism as adversary to Christianity?

    It's telling that the atheist parents in your scenario are making anti-Christian sentiments, not pro-atheist sentiments.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree with everything you say. I wonder if we just accept it if parents from other religions will do it. Atheist parents could send cards reminding people that Pagan traditions are behind the date and many icons of the holiday. Other parents could bring political messages, e.g. implying their religion would support gov't healthcare or military interventions to protect the weak. All of that would be a case of parents acting worse than children. It's really rude to give out cards when you know some of the people will be Jehovah's Witnesses who don't believe in recognizing holidays at all. People who do this put teachers in the awkward position of having to enforce rules like "no religious material whatsoever in the classroom." People should use some tact.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Unitarian Universalists. The joke answer is UU = atheists with children who want them to go to a godless Sunday school.

    Unitarianism started as a liberalized form of Christianity, but modern UU draws from all religions of the world without accepting their anti-scientific elements. For me it's a place to meet people and stop for an hour on Sunday to consider the universe beyond my own world.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Prosletizing. In my mind the evil of any organized religion. Mind your own business.

    KYFHO
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This story can be found all over the net. The idea was he wanted to give the children something to keep them happy and quiet during the service. that's why he chose the colors and shaped one end in a crook so that the children would all be "shepards" while the Christmas story was read and the priest would allow the candy. it's a sweet story-but the color representation is alot for a first grader to grasp. Clearly, the parent in this incident was pushing .
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It was utter nonsense to claim that the red stripes on a candy cane represented Jesus's blood and the white represented Jesus. That's just a conflation of the old idea that a barber's pole indicated that he also bled people when that was in vogue.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I generally take existing tech and politics and project them into the future. I would have to lean more toward the speculative fiction with strong leaning into sci-fi.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    which is it? Speculative fiction writer, or sci-fi writer? Or science fiction writer?

    (yes, I was around for the Big Debate over what to call the various... adaptations of science fiction in the 70s)
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Please explain how energy levels can increase, which is what is required for evolution to be a reality.

    I would suggest that by ignoring the teaching of any subject, one has diminished the influences of the material. While I understand that this IS the goal of atheists, replacing it with secular humanism does not make the practice effective or proper teaching technique. If I can't object to the teaching of secular humanism in all areas of education, why do you feel that ignoring the value of Christianity has merit? Why is it that you feel only one side should be taught? What has happened to objectivity?

    If you don't know how much of the founding of American government was based on Christian principals, you really need to broaden your horizons and stop only reading the things that agree with your world view. You just might discover you have been very, very mistaken.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well I didn't think he came up with whatever it was all by himself. Which is why I don't think it was a good call by the parents. Pushy.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The poem on the one side of the message says the red stripe is for the blood Jesus bled for me and the white is for the sinless and pure Jesus. Pretty provocative for little ones
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Iagree the attacks
    on Christianity are ridiculous. However if the teacher should not be allowed to impose her beliefs in the classroom why should the parent have been.
    ? The candycane story is one that is religious. Whether the boy had the idea or not, his parent instigated the project. Its like this. If parents are allowed to distribute religious material to classrooms then the same should be allowed for political messages or other agendas like ads for aparents business. That's really the point behind the policy. How it 's handled is another thing.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 3 months ago
    I am torn on this incident. While the teacher had no business making a big deal out of incident nor should she have thrown away the boy's property, I still think the parent who was obviously behind the gift and the message bears some responsibility for the situation. The message, however sweet, was intended to persuade or expose others to the parent 's belief. If this exchange had happened in Sunday school or any other organized event outside of the classroom - I say fine. I think the parent knew there might be a conflict over this - which was not fair for the child. Regardless, the gifts were well meaning and the sentiment should have been respected.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There is no aspect of science which contradicts the theory of evolution.

    The influence of Christianity on Western civilization is self-evident from studying European and early American colonial history; it doesn't need to be explicitly pointed out.

    But if you're suggesting that we teach kids that the United States government and the Constitution were based on Christian values or the teachings of the Bible, that's actually not true.
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