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Is Obama using Reagans Russian Strategy against us?

Posted by richrobinson 10 years, 2 months ago to The Gulch: General
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I was discussing politics with a liberal friend of mine over the weekend. We talked about Reagan and he said he agreed with the defense build up in the 80's and that the Russians inability to keep up is what caused their collapse. The Russian economy simply could not spend as much as we could. The only issue he had with it was the deficits we were left with. It started me thinking that President Obama may be using that strategy against us. He takes over when the economy is struggling and uses it as an excuse to spend at an unprecedented pace. He has taken the deficit from 9 trillion to 18+ trillion in six years. Some economists are now concerned about the long term health of our economy. Is it possible Obama is turning the Russian Strategy against us???


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  • Posted by MinorLiberator 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I hear you, Herb. I also could write 24/7 on either of those two low-lifes.

    But neither of them are worth that kind of time...
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  • Posted by 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A good distinction and I agree. I was referring to the drop in oil prices. I don't think Obama would have allowed oil prices to drop but after the Crimea incident he saw a way of hurting the Russian economy and the domestic fracking producers. A win win in his mind.
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  • Posted by MinorLiberator 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Anyone care to join me in crowdfunding an "Obama Countdown Clock" to be placed under the National Debt Clock?

    Assuming of course, per other comments, that he doesn't finagle an "extension on his contract"...
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  • Posted by MinorLiberator 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'd say more "awe" or "envy" than respect for Putin ("I deserve that kind of power, dammit!).

    If the Crimea changed any of that, I haven't seen Obama do anything about it. Not even the sound of sabre being gently rattled...
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A very big IF.
    Don't get me started. I'd be writing for the next two days once I really got into Obama. As to Putin, I just scratched the surface. His life reads like a horror movie.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The Military "purge" happened quietly and thanks to the media it went mostly unnoticed. I was wondering what he was up to. At the time I thought he just wanted more support from the Military concerning his Middle East strategy. Now I wonder...
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  • Posted by MinorLiberator 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have felt since Day One after he was first elected that he was, and is, capable of engineering the type of event you suggest. You can't give exact odds on that sort of thing. I'd just say I don't think he will, but wouldn't be overly surprised if he tried and/or succeeded in holding onto power.

    His megalomania knows no bounds (I think that's redundant). Who better to replace him than himself?
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  • Posted by 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It seemed to me that President Obama had a lot of respect for Putin. At least he did until Putin defied him and annexed Crimea.
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  • Posted by MinorLiberator 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Correct on Putin, butcher and mass killer...but the juxtaposition of "Obama" and "true patriot" in the same sentence: Ugh! (And no offense to you, you did say "if").

    I thought the "bow and scrape" tour that began his Presidency was about as low as any President could get, but he never ceases to define an even lower rung of Obama-Hell with every passing day...
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  • Posted by strugatsky 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    His rate of damage does seem to accelerate. How much more can this country take is hard to say. He is, however, doing his damnest. I expect another Fergusson-like event, only much larger, to enable him to hold on to power. If he doesn't chicken out. But he shouldn't - the biggest obstacle, at least theoretically, is the military. Preparing for that, he had gutted out the top echelons - not just the generals, but even the colonels have been replaced with his cronies; and the troops are disarmed. Meanwhile, the KGB (aka Homeland Security) goons have been trained to shoot their mothers. Interesting times are upon us...
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 2 months ago
    Just a small reminder. Putin was the head of the former KGB. There is still a KGB even though they have changed its name. Putin is responsible for almost as many deaths as Stalin, and certainly more than any predecessor. Obama, if he were a true patriot, would never enter into discussions with Putin, or the Iranian Mullahs or any evil beasts who are the very antithesis of America. It makes him an aider and abettor as far as I'm concerned.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Absolutely. Do we have 18 months left? Will he do something to speed up the economic collapse as his time runs out?
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  • Posted by gerstj 10 years, 2 months ago
    Cloward Piven strategy: Overload the system until it collapses in order to remake their idealized society from the ashes. Millions of casualties are acceptable to reach their goal.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 10 years, 2 months ago
    I've said it here before.
    I'm sure I'll say it more.
    Cloward and Piven--
    It's a given.
    The One made an adaptation
    To a modern situation.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 10 years, 2 months ago
    Osama's policies are very easy to understand and forsee. His goal is economic and social destruction of the US. Every one of his policies has been a step towards that goal. I can think of not a single exception. On any topic, pick the option that will cause the the most damage and option has been or will be Osama's policy.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes. I wish Reagan could have dealt with the deficits more but he re-started a stalled economy. G.H.W. Bush should have done that but I don't think he ever bought into Reagans policies.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, it all depends on what you call victory. Economically, the Cold War forced the USSR into financial insolvency. As a result, many of its satellite holdings divested and became their own countries. I'd call that a win for democracy, especially in Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia. And let's remember that the portion of our debt that is killing us isn't the military spending aspect of things, but the social spending that started primarily with Johnson in the 1970's.

    Culturally, however, I think I have to admit that the USSR's strategy for cultural revolution may be winning against the idea of democracy. Wasn't it Kruschev who alluded to a long-game strategy that involved allowing us to think we had won all the time corrupting our system into de facto communism via social programs?
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  • Posted by 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It would be hard to argue with the spending if we saw results. To spend this much and have nothing to show for it is troubling to say the least. Do you remember(I think it was around 2008)when Obama compared himself to Reagan? That was insulting.
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  • Posted by wiggys 10 years, 2 months ago
    0 is a uneducated individual from the ghetto. He does have a ghetto personality if you hadn't noticed. He just spends money like a drunken sailor. What separates him from the welfare recipient in the ghetto? NOTHING. Saying his name in the same sentence as R. Reagan is an insult to Reagan.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The amazing thing is how quickly the steeple fall in line and do as they are told. We should know better.
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  • Posted by Clairity 10 years, 2 months ago
    Communism, Socialism, Nazism, Racism, Environmentalism, Religions etc are nothing more than different hats created by the powers that be to help herd all the sheeple. If the organization is tax exempt it has to follow their guidelines, and laws.
    I would be surprised if Obama wasn't trying that tactic.
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