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That Didn't Take Long Now Did It?

Posted by SaltyDog 9 years ago to Government
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The most surprising thing about this is the fact that I'm not at all surprised.
SOURCE URL: http://freebeacon.com/national-security/iran-accuses-u-s-of-lying-about-new-nuke-agreement/


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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years ago
    I guess the muslim and the communists can pat O on the back for a job well done. We, our children, are so screwed if this goes to fruition.

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    • Posted by wiggys 9 years ago
      regardless what happens with this situation your children are screwed anyway.
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      • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years ago
        Growing up in NY I remember the cold war vividly. I remember the sirens, hiding beneath my desk, and the teachers nervously telling us it was just an exercise. I'd hoped after Reagan humbled the Soviet Union this wouldn't happen again and now my children and grand children will have to deal with more openly hostile enemy who is perfectly willing to die to kill us.

        I pointedly refuse to believe things are hopeless. I do think that everything is poised to get a hell of lot worse before it can get any better. Eg. WWIII and we (my kids, their kids) will be on the weaker side.
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        • Posted by Technocracy 9 years ago
          The difference being that the danger won't be incoming ICBMs. At least not for some time.

          Instead a truck, van, cargo container, or some other low tech method that gets the device close enough to be used, but without the limited warning time ICBMs entailed.
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          • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years ago
            Don't be so sure. Iran gets a lot of help from Russia and China. Considering the perfect storm they concocted planting O do you really think either of those rivals would hesitate providing Iran with ICBM-like missile technology? Or perhaps North Korea or Pakistan acting in proxy for Russia or China selling Iran the missiles themselves or the blueprints and technicians to build them.

            Blarman, aside from a pretty huge radioactive tsunami hitting the east coast (assumed) I'm not that sure the full effect of the radiation would do as much damage from 20 miles out. It certainly has potential.
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            • Posted by plusaf 9 years ago
              AJ and all, it's not a ground- or sea-level nuke or thermo-nuke that's the hazard... all of those kinds of shit tend to make the land uninhabitable.

              But a high-altitude EMP blast from an atomic weapon would ruin all or enough of ALL the electronics in the US (and a good part of Canada, too, and, deprived of cars, internet, power, water and smartphones, society would implode.

              Any invader strong enough to land a LOT of troops on our soil with Working Equipment would take 'US' over quickly.

              Are we prepared for or defending against that? I don't see any evidence of it.
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  • Posted by DanShu 9 years ago
    Hell, Obama and Kerry could send ready to go Nukes to Iran and still claim they made a good deal. Sad thing is our Lap Dog media would go along with it.
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years ago
    for those of you who did not grow up next to an arab community as i did just don't get it! they NEVER will agree to anything and go from their. 0 is either nieve or just plain stupid (probably both) as are his advisers. kerry is the dumbest of all. he is a pawn. they only hear what they want from each other and nothing from the rest of the world especially the arabs. the advent of oil has given the arabs a new lease on life and it has come at a time when the rest of the world needs oil for countless products as well as energy, so the rest of the world is sucking up to them. there is no deal coming from the arabs just from 0 who probably has in his mind a siutuation that this is not a failure anymore than he believes that obamacare is not a failure. he 0 is a pathetic excuse for a human.
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    • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years ago
      Wiggys, where did you grow up?
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      • Posted by wiggys 9 years ago
        In Brookln N.Y.
        A few months ago i wrote as per khallings request some of the history of my growing up next to a syrian community. I learned a great deal of how their minds function. Ask him to tell you where to find it.
        The result is that I believe the arabs are the missing links>
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        • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years ago
          Not all arabs "minds function" in the same way, whatever that means.
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          • Posted by wiggys 9 years ago
            simple; their minds do not function! look at their history; if their minds did function they would have continued to lead the world in mathematics and many other area of knowledge but that came to an end eons ago.
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            • Posted by $ blarman 9 years ago
              Yes - when they were "converted" to Islam. The whole region went from being a hotbed of trade and activity (the Silk Road) to being a den of thieves and pirates led by religious zealots. In the 1000+ years since Islam solidified its grip, these nations haven't advanced at all. If they didn't have access to cheap oil, they'd still be third world nations no better off than central Africa. And without that oil they certainly wouldn't be threatening the whole world with nuclear weapons.
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              • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years ago
                You assert, correctly, that Islam is a wrongheaded belief system acceptance of which runs counter to economic and intellectual advancement. However, the original statement made was that people born in an arab country or were of arabic descent had
                "minds [that] do not function." I hold that people are individuals who willingly choose whether their minds will or will not function. Do you agree?
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                • Posted by $ blarman 9 years ago
                  Of course. Generalizations in and of themselves are fallacies. Individuals should be treated as such.

                  That being said, one of the insidious things about Islam is that it tolerates zero dissent. It actively punishes thinking as we know it by the harshest of measures. What you are seeing (and what I am pointing out) is the results of a society that actively punishes thinking at all. One of the results is a total lack of scientific progress.
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            • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years ago
              I think you are generalizing too much. You are literally stating that hundreds of millions of individuals have some sort of genetic brain disfunction that arose some time in the last several thousand years. Do you know of any scientific evidence to support this assertion?
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              • Posted by wiggys 9 years ago
                if you observe what they have done over the several thousand years you will note that they have as a group demonstrated disfunctional characteristics and yes I believe based upon the actions of the muslim arab community that they have been reverse evolution.
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                • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years ago
                  This should be easy to prove if true. Citation to studies please? Try the same journals with studies on lazy Irish, shiftless blacks, dishonest Jews, etc.
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                  • Posted by sumitch 9 years ago
                    How about a thousand years of wars trying to kill Christians? Or do you need proof of that?

                    All of the terrorist attacks on the United States have been by Muslims. Muslims are attacking Christians all over the world, beheading them, cutting them in half, burning them alive. Thousands are joining their war against civilization. Does that serve as proof in your book?

                    I don't see any Muslims standing up in protest for these murderous cowardly crimes.
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                    • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years ago
                      An amazing reply. Let's remember what we are discussing. The proposition at issue is whether ALL arabs or people of arab descent are genetically mentally defective. The "proof" you cite is the fact that over the course of many generations some arabs have killed Christians and that some murders in the US have been committed by Muslims (many of whom are arabs or of arab descent). Additionnaly, you cite the fact that overseas some muslims are murdering some Christians and that, according to you, no muslims are objecting to those murders.
                      First, historical murders conducted on the basis of religion are not proof of genetic mental disorders. Otherwise we could claim all Italians or those of italian descent have non-functioning brains because their ancestors (Romans) murdered Christians. That's obviously absurd.
                      Second, I don't know how you define terrorist attack, but not all of them have been committed by muslims, but even if they have, what does that tell us about the mental state of those who have not committed such attacks? Nothing, of course. Of course the actions of murderers tell us a lot about their mental state and perhaps something about the ideology they follow, but it tells us nothing about the genetic makeup of those who do not commit such crimes. Otherwise we would condemn the whole non-aboriginal populace of Australia as mentally defective given their criminal ancestors.
                      Finally, lots of muslims have decried murders of by muslim terrorists. How have they escaped the fatal gene? Give it up. Don't blame murders on the murderers genetic ancestors. Each of them is personally responsible for their acts. As Rand noted, racism is a particularly ugly form of collectivism. Judge each on their ideas and actions.







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                    • Posted by $ jdg 9 years ago
                      OK City was not by Muslims. It was Americans who wanted revenge for Waco.
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                      • Posted by sumitch 9 years ago
                        Nice try. Why not mention Pearl Harbor and Germany? Stay on subject. Muslims did not attack Waco. They were suspected of breaking the law. The three towers were Muslim, the fool that fired up his underwear was Muslim. The fool that set his shoes on fire was Muslim. The Boston bombers were Muslim. Go back more? The Barbary pirates were Muslim.
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              • Posted by sumitch 9 years ago
                I'm guessing you have never lived near Syrians or any other Muslim nation. What proof do you have that someone that grew up next to them is wrong?
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                • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years ago
                  What difference does it make where I have lived? In fact I did live for a time in a Muslim nation. So what? The burden, by the way is on you. You are the one asserting a genetic defect.
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                  • Posted by sumitch 9 years ago
                    So then, are you a Muslim? The difference is where you got your information to dispute the post.
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                    • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years ago
                      I am not a Muslim. I am an atheist. And what difference does that make? I don't care what your religion is or where you have lived. Defend your position. Where is your proof that all arabs are genetically mentally defective?
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                      • Posted by sumitch 9 years ago
                        It makes a huge difference. Muslims are the ones murdering Christians all over the world. Also I told you what difference makes above. The burden is on you. You're the one trying to shift the subject because you can't defend the murderous Muslims all over the world. Or do you think what they are doing is OK with an atheist?
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                        • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years ago
                          Murder is not OK. And I am not defending murderers. If anything, you are the one arguing inferentially that they are not fully culpable because they have some mental defect they inherited. That's ridiculous and the burden is on you to prove it in any event. Where are those studies showing all arabs are mentally defective? And exactly how do you explain Steve Jobs? Was he a mutant?
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  • Posted by 9 years ago
    Here's a negotiating tactic that I would try:
    OK Iran, here's the deal...You go ahead with all of the centrifuge research and building that you like. We're going to park a few satellites in GeoSync orbit over you.

    Now here's the necessary calculus. A C3 Trident can make the depressed trajectory trip from the central Indian Ocean outer door open to MIRV in, say, 4 1/2 minutes, another 90 seconds from dispersal to detonation over target. Give it another two minutes from orders received to missile spin-up and boat to launch depth.

    All of this is to say that should we even sense a test shot somewhere in Iran, the order will be given and in less than 10 minutes, your country will cease to exist. Don't worry though...we have carbide drill bits to get through the green glass that used to be your nation so we can take all of the oil that we want.

    Just a modern version of gunboat diplomacy.

    Any questions?
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  • Posted by 9 years ago
    Just watch the ripples of disruption throughout the world's economies when Iran starts dumping oil wholesale onto the market. I don't think they're at all interested in OPEC quotas. Hello $20/bbl oil.
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  • Posted by Maritimus 9 years ago
    Hallow $5Au,

    What do you expect from two deeply dishonest people who viscerally detest each other, on the basis of religious prejudice and power thirst?
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  • Posted by Flootus5 9 years ago
    I had cause for an eerie sense of coincidence the day Netanyahu spoke before Congress. He was clear with the warning. That evening, I started the next book in my stack of things to read. It was "On the Beach" by Nevil Shute. Published in 1957 (a good year for fateful predictions), it is set in southern Australia right after WWIII.

    The radioactive atmosphere from the devastated northern hemisphere is slowly making its way south. They are doomed.

    In the novel, as opposed to the 1959 movie they made from it, WWIII started from......the Israeli - Arab War.

    I am still weirded out, and this little gem does nothing to help.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years ago
    I don't think anyone else in the Gulch is surprised either. It kinda reminds me of the '50s called in those days, the Atomic Age. "Better Red than Dead." Is the entire Obama regime being run by 12 year olds?
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years ago
    like my friend who wishes that "all of your
    grandchildren be born naked" we have another
    of his sayings::: "This won't take long, did it?" -- j

    p.s. BHO's spin masters pissed off the mullah,
    right off the bat!

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  • Posted by Ranter 9 years ago
    Back before the collapse of the Shah's government, I was a construction contractor in Iran. After the first contract was signed, I realized that the signing of an agreement is when the REAL negotiation starts. The contract is not finalized until the project is completed.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 9 years ago
    Perhaps we should not get too upset about it. Per-
    haps we should treat the whole thing with the con-
    tempt it deserves. After all, Congress can simp-
    ly decline to ratify it; (or the Senate can, can't
    it?) And then, if we can prevent ourselves and
    Israel from being attacked between now and
    January in 2017, we may be able to make our-
    selves safer. (And then, maybe Israel may do
    us a favor and knock Iran out).

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  • Posted by term2 9 years ago
    Iran can stop making nuclear bombs any time it wants. Takes NO agreement. Without their bomb making, there is no need for sanctions, so they would be eliminated. Whats happening now is Obama gives up the sanctions, and Iran doesnt give up its bomb making (why should they- nuclear bomb making IS their trump card which they have used to get where they are now). Obama is an ass
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  • Posted by NealS 9 years ago
    I too am not surprised at all. Is it possible there are three liars in this scenario all trying to out lie each other? Of course it is.

    Kerry, well we all know about his history of being a liar, he sat in front of Congress with a whole bunch of liars and told made up stories. The Iranian guy has to lie, if he went home with any other story he and his family would no longer be. And our president, again we have a list of his lack of creditability, he has very little if any.
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  • Posted by m1tmc 9 years ago
    Y'all are definitely entertaining to read-over as I'm often late and seldom chime in. I agree!! With about everything. I don't know who I trust more: 'Leetle o' or the Iranian negotiator. And this may have been posted already, but Pat Buchanan and Hannity had an interesting exchange, either reflecting upon Pat's different, if not more informed, take on the situation, and Hannity's holding the Fox News 'line'. http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Iran-Pa...

    Most of us know it IS down right stupid to trust the Iranians, but they are and have been exactly who they say they are and proclaim it to the world. Regrettably I wouldn't really trust anyone in o's administration to act with our best interests in mind. Their track record speaks for itself.

    It weakens our position, but letting Iran fight ISIS(Sunni vs Shia) is the most efficient, but that has been Iran's ambition since we were selling anthrax to Saddam, while North was selling Iran weapons to raise money for proxy war in central America.

    An enemy that announces they are your enemy can obviously be trusted to act like an enemy, while Leetle o ......I wouldn't want him petting my dog.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years ago
    Everyone is so focused on the nuclear weapon issue that they're missing the point of this exercise from Iran's point of view. Considering how poor the Iranian economy is now, from the sanctions, they're doing very well in gaining dominance in the Middle East. They may have no intention of proceeding with a nuclear weapon, but they darn sure want those sanctions dropped. Once the money starts to flow back into Iran's economy, they won't need a nuclear weapon to become the dominant force in the Gulf, able to cut off the bulk of the world's supply of oil at will. The nuke threat could be merely a foil to justify their ambitions.
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