That's the problem. With mail-in registrations or other automatic means, there is no clue if the individuals are qualified or even if they are real people. That's the way liberals hijacked the election process.

It is not only workable, but fair. The state of Louisiana actually allows election commissioners to take ballots to handicapped voters. There are requirements that actually protects the integrity of the ballots and ensures that the person voting is properly registered. I have not heard that the system has been compromised in any way. I will agree however, that any voting methods cannot always guarantee the honesty of everyone involved. Even at the voting precinct, fraud can occur. And I am not a liberal by any stretch, but we can still accommodate our handicapped voters and maintain ballot security. And yes, they can get picture id's.

Yes, dumb and potentially dangerous idea. Not necessarily as obviously illegal and unconstitutional as mandatory voting: merely registering a person does not force them to vote, but as others have pointed out, once "on the rolls", people who would not take the time to register and therefore couldn't vote would now be eligible. And they could be found and "incentivized" not only to vote, but maybe vote a certain way.

To put it more formally: it stinks.

Great idea, but since it does not support vote manipulation, totally unworkable.

If it were up to me, there would be NO mail ballots even for absentees. If you're going to be out of town on election day, you would go down to the registrar's office and vote in a booth there, up to (say) two months early. Simple. Nothing keeps an election honest like having to show up in person and vote where people can see that you're alone in that voting booth.

Yeah, I had heard of the 'bamaphone crap.

Personally, I think your guys' Electoral College stuff is freaking bizarre, haha. I am much more familiar with our system, obviously.

Until enough people ready to stat this

"when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government." - Declaration of Independence

Only replace colonies with states.

Until we have enough saying that to end what is currently our ruling body and appoint a new guard, nothing good will come. It will be anything from a removal of life, liberty and/or the pursuit of property or at best we may stay where we are at.

We will not move forward in any direction but down at this point. Until we reach the same net zero in attitude and in freedom that any other society has left and the world order takes over. Unless enough people grab onto that statement and lawfully (natural law) removes those in power to appoint a new guard, I do not believe anything will really change other than a slow progression to totalitarianism.

To really understand the kind of problems this causes you have to look at what some of the behaviors campaign teams have.

In our last presidential election as the day went on the Obama campaign was (in states that were close) sending out vans to pick up people who had been found not to have voted. Haul them in to vote and then take them home. They had goodies for them to eat and forms to sign up to get a free phone (if they were on welfare) all the while reminding these people that the phone and the treats were because Obama had done so much for them. Then these people voted and were taken back home.

I do not know if it really made a difference and technically they never said who to vote for to the people they hauled in. However it does not take much imagination to figure that the vast majority of these people probably voted for the guy they just got told was responsible for their phone, the ride and the food, even though it was all paid for by the tax payers and the campaign contributors.

This will simply enable a bit more of this type of election fraud to occur.

Some years ago, I attended a Federal Elections Commission meeting in Oklahoma and an elections representative from Oregon made the claim that there was no election fraud in Oregon. His reasoning included the fact that Oregon mailed a ballot to every registered voter every election. I asked him who voted those ballots, because he had no way of knowing. Gathering discarded ballots from people who did not intend to vote, selling the unmarked ballots to people who would fraudulently mark the ballot or handing the unmarked ballot to a boss or union boss are all ways that make a joke of ballot security. I argued every way I could against motor voter registration and other measures that weakened the security of our election process. I obviously failed to stop the assault on election security and when you read that certain areas vote 120 percent of registered voters, you can see how fraud has been benefited and our fair elections compromised.

Depends on your perspective. For those that wish to rig elections and get their guy in no mater what, everything could go right.

For that that wish to have a society based upon the same rule of law for everyone... well that ship has all ready sailed until we have a new declaration that is issued with enough backing to have teeth.

As I read it, it applies to anyone in the Motor Vehicle database. My experience is in Michigan, and that would also include people who went to the SecState for even a photo ID, not a driver's license. Also, in Michigan you could register to vote by checking a box when you got your driver's license. But checking that box was optional...

Past time...they're definitely beyond their sell-by date...I blame lack of preservatives...

I agree. He can't meet with The Leader of the Free World in DC, but I'm sure he was on the phone with Oregon...

Once again, another stupid, probably illegal, idea, from The Left Coast of course. Next step, for those too stupid to register: Hey, no worries. We'll cast your vote for you...

How does that even work?!? What databases are they using to enable an "automatic" registration? And if you're in the database, didn't you have to register to get on it?

Just another stupid left trick.
Elections in Oregon are meaningless because the ballots are worth as much as 1931 German money.

It's sad. Oregon is such a beautiful state, both east and west of the Cascades.

Analogous with Nevada and California, we on the east side thank the stars for the Sierra Nevada. Not only a rain shadow effect, but a people shadow.

150+ years ago, the emigrants saw themselves crossing this god forsaken desert, a place of dread and hardship. Now it is the best refuge from a different kind of horror.

It confuses me too, qjdb. It is possible that Canada does not have the problem yet that the US has because of the quantity of illegal immigrants here. But it would seem to me to be clear that if you had a population of X and you had votes cast of 2X you should declare the election fraudulent and invalid. If you send out X ballots, and half of the people do not vote but the other half vote twice (so the numbers work out)...then the state is getting what the people who care to vote, vote in favor of.

I do not think that the process of using automatic registration (which I would confine to citizens) and mail in ballots is flawed per se. I think that the people of Oregon actually want a socialist government.

Pity, that.

Jan

We do get what we pay for, that is what SuperPAC's are for, to buy the govt YOU want.

It is great if it is YOU doing the buying, but sucks for everyone else

Hello rainman0720,
A novel idea. Maybe we should get what we pay for... why should people who don't pay for the freebies be able to use government to extort it from others that do?
Something to ponder...
O.A.

What about people who are disabled, or the elderly suffering different stages of dimentia? I see a big problem with fraud there.

Also, those of us who pay taxes are actually carrying the tax burden for two people. So we should get two votes.

Anyone that has watched "Waters World" on Fox will be justifiably apprehensive of forced voting. If we insist on forcing imbeciles to vote the results can only be catastrophic.

one more nail in the coffin of a state that likes to smoke dope. this is what happens when legislators do that, but then again they have taken a page out of the 0 program which he started when he was in grade school.