Oregon is first state to adopt automatic voter registration
If they don't care enough to register (or are not smart enough) how does this help? Just another 300,000 votes to manipulate elections with. Welcome to Oregon logic.
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For that that wish to have a society based upon the same rule of law for everyone... well that ship has all ready sailed until we have a new declaration that is issued with enough backing to have teeth.
All should be electronic and should last 30 days, so you can vote when you file.
Living in a small town, I have to wait an hour to vote. In large cities, people wait from the time the polls open till they close, and still never make it in to vote.
And this would solve that problem and maybe we could even solve gerrymandering of the districts.
A novel idea. Maybe we should get what we pay for... why should people who don't pay for the freebies be able to use government to extort it from others that do?
Something to ponder...
O.A.
It is great if it is YOU doing the buying, but sucks for everyone else
Having mandatory voting is also a very good way to make sure we are getting a complete representation of everyone, not just the people that can get to the polls.
If everyone voted, we would see a very different country than we now have.
People complain that the laws are not what they want, but they don't vote, because they know the system is rigged.
When you look at marijuana laws and you see now what states are passing laws to legalize it, it is only because of heavy lobbying by big pharma and the politicians wanting that tax money.
It has nothing to do with what the people want.
Notice how almost all the states are pushing for edibles only, meaning big tabbacco is out of the running.
That is why they have not been lobbying, because they knew big pharma wanted this.
Once the money starts rolling in, they will move to make it easier to get.
I don't think they will have completely recreational use, at least not for another decade, but they will make it easy for people to get a medical card.
Many people don't trust that the govt is not going to use this data against them, so there is still going to be a large illegal business, which is why the drug cartels are not cutting off people's heads, yet.
The cartels are the ones that got the federal database of all controlled substance up and running.
Notice how there were no bugs in that system.
Now, they track the doctors, and scare the docs into not prescribing, to drive people back to the illegal drug trade.
It is easy to see the strings that connect all these things when you step back and look objectively at the events playing out.
Most people just don't look, they don't want to know, or they know and are scared.
Watch CitizenFour, if you have not seen that movie yet. It is very scary, and all true.
Makes everyone who sees it scared, and it should.
Nothing is private any more. You have no personal freedom, only what you are allowed to have, which is not freedom.
I have resigned myself to this, and I know I can't fight it. My days of being an idealist are over.
I am just trying to live out the rest of my days with my failing health in peace, and hope that the chaos around me does not suck me in.
The thing that worries me is the "party line" way this law was passed. That tells me, on its own, that something is rotten in Denmark. I just haven't figured out what IT is.
To put it more formally: it stinks.
During the recount, the Republican won by an even slimmer majority and this gave the Liberals enough motivation to call for a third count.
Well, low and behold, the Republican lost the final recount by a slim margin, but even with a 2 out of 3 win, gave it to his opponent.
After a year's wrangling over the results, it was discovered that numerous votes were counted incorrectly, made by "dead" voters, or were mysteriously "found" during the recount. There was a great deal of noise made about "election reform", but the damage was already done and the entire incident was swept under the carpet.
Every day, I consider the possibility of moving to Idaho when I retire...
Elections in Oregon are meaningless because the ballots are worth as much as 1931 German money.
I'm in Canada, so forgive me if I don't get the way your voting works, etc. And as the article says, I am automatically registered to vote through our version of the DMV.
Is it a bad thing that people are registered to vote automatically? I'm thinking that isn't necessarily the problem.
I'm thinking that the automatic registration <<coupled>> with the mail-in voting is the problem, right? Because then, as terrycan said, there are an extra 300,000 extra ballots floating around.
Am I correct in making this as the connection?
In our last presidential election as the day went on the Obama campaign was (in states that were close) sending out vans to pick up people who had been found not to have voted. Haul them in to vote and then take them home. They had goodies for them to eat and forms to sign up to get a free phone (if they were on welfare) all the while reminding these people that the phone and the treats were because Obama had done so much for them. Then these people voted and were taken back home.
I do not know if it really made a difference and technically they never said who to vote for to the people they hauled in. However it does not take much imagination to figure that the vast majority of these people probably voted for the guy they just got told was responsible for their phone, the ride and the food, even though it was all paid for by the tax payers and the campaign contributors.
This will simply enable a bit more of this type of election fraud to occur.
To be clear, I personally do not care for the practice, but then I think that we should have to pass a basic citizenship test to be able to register to vote as well. The required testing would make this practice far less effective than it is today and cause campaigns to spend far less money on the practice.
It is a symptom of the problem that voting is a "right" rather than a "privilege" that is earned in some way. A move further towards the view of it being a right is a move in the wrong direction. It is in fact a privilege that many who use it today should not be qualified to exercise the privilege of the vote.
Exactly, and the change to the senate removed state representation from the federal government creating Taxation without representation.
It was the disbanding of the voice of the Burgesses that caused the Boston Tea Party. Effectively the equivalent of removing appointed state representatives from congress and causing them to feel they were taxed without representation. Funny how it was met with major push back from the colonies, but 120 years later the same basic concept (to silence the state) is met with applause as it was advertised to eliminate big businesses influence over government.
The only way to eliminate bug businesses influence over government is to not pass laws which make is necessary for business to attempt to influence government.
Yes you hit a nerve with that one, does every time I think about it.
Personally, I think your guys' Electoral College stuff is freaking bizarre, haha. I am much more familiar with our system, obviously.
I do not think that the process of using automatic registration (which I would confine to citizens) and mail in ballots is flawed per se. I think that the people of Oregon actually want a socialist government.
Pity, that.
Jan
Analogous with Nevada and California, we on the east side thank the stars for the Sierra Nevada. Not only a rain shadow effect, but a people shadow.
150+ years ago, the emigrants saw themselves crossing this god forsaken desert, a place of dread and hardship. Now it is the best refuge from a different kind of horror.
"when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government." - Declaration of Independence
Only replace colonies with states.
Until we have enough saying that to end what is currently our ruling body and appoint a new guard, nothing good will come. It will be anything from a removal of life, liberty and/or the pursuit of property or at best we may stay where we are at.
We will not move forward in any direction but down at this point. Until we reach the same net zero in attitude and in freedom that any other society has left and the world order takes over. Unless enough people grab onto that statement and lawfully (natural law) removes those in power to appoint a new guard, I do not believe anything will really change other than a slow progression to totalitarianism.