Obama Wants All Americans to Learn Code

Posted by $ Mimi 10 years, 5 months ago to Education
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I don’t think any big push to teach students to write code is going to save that crappy website at this late date. Poor misguided fool.




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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He’s a ticking-time bomb. He has a long family history of mental illness, including a grandfather that committed suicide.
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  • Posted by BambiB 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    >> Do not start programming until you know what you are doing.

    For some "developers" that would mean never starting. ;-)

    I have had the experience of coding as part of design. It's not always a bad thing. Mostly I've done it to help nail down thought processes, a sort of fleshing out of the design. In those cases, it's almost code-as-design-tool and I don't expect the code to be anywhere close to "final".
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  • Posted by BambiB 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Except that Obama has done so much that's criminal, anti-constitutional and anti-American, his endorsement has a negative association.

    It's as if Jeffrey Dahmer were to prompte a brand of Bar-B-Que sauce, Aileen Wuornos were to hawk a brand of perfume or Jane Toppan were to recommend people going into medicine as a profession.

    Obama is the least appropriate spokesman for this topic, first because he has no credibility among critical thinkers, and second because he knows nothing about the subject. It's having a moron who operates by way of lies and sleaze making recommendations to sentient beings.

    Timothy Cook would be orders of magnitude more appropriate as spokesman for technology training.
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  • Posted by BambiB 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He might have more credibility if he had the slightest clue what he was talking about.

    Oh wait. It's O-Bomb-Ya!

    Like water off a duck's back is credibility to O-Bomb-Ya!
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  • Posted by BambiB 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's not as if they have any choice.

    Some will see it coming a short time before the excreta hits the rotating device.

    Others won't.

    But once the shit is flying everywhere, the majority will figure out there's a problem.
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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    O has nothing on his mind. He was reading from a teleprompter for a promotional video.
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    About the "older" thing ... I was thinking the same thing.

    Actually, I was pondering: "I wonder if he's fighting a deadly disease?"
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Back in the 80s/early 90s when I was on Compuserve, I'd be chatting with some fellow Amiga enthusiasts, and periodically one of them would say to himself:

    Vaxine: compile complete. Rick, do something!
    I once asked him who Vaxine was and what that was all about. He had a Vax computer doing compiles, and wrote a script for it to notify him on the network when it finished a compile so he could resume work.

    Dr Van Allen (of the radiation belts) thought my dad was a genius.

    At the time, my dad was young, and took a stab at selling calculators (big, noisy mechanical beasts as expensive and big as a desktop computer today, and a lot heavier). One of the places in his territory was the U of Iowa. I gather Van Allen was working or visiting there at the time.
    Anyways, so Van Allen was working on a program and was stuck. My dad didn't know jack about programming, but Van Allen walked him through the instructions, and afterwards my dad asked if it ever ran a certain piece of the code. Apparently Van Allen had inserted a "go to" or "return"- type statement prior to that section of code so it never got executed, which was the problem he was having. He went around to his colleagues bragging about how my father had "solved" his problem. Which I guess says a lot about Van Allen's character.

    EDIT: doh, left out the point of the story. Obama talking about everyone and anyone becoming coders is what reminded me of the story....
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The *idea* is good... except we need young people to enter *all* the sciences, not just comp sci. Where he looked silly was in trying to incite people to become coders.
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  • Posted by plusaf 10 years, 5 months ago
    As usual, one solution fits all...
    Moron, again.
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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You need to understand we want the Government out of our schools, off of our backs, and out of our lives. Period!
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Imagine if An Wang had gotten the 1 cent per bit royalties that he wanted for his patent. I think that the global annual production is only $100 trillion or so.

    It is not just that the world moves faster than the planner can grasp, but it takes directions that they could not anticipate. When Yaron Brook spoke here in Austin at UT last week, one of the students in the audience made the unsurprising statement that they are being trained for careers that do not exist yet.

    Your pointer to "Critical thinking" was absolutely correct. While technical skills are important, other talents are their foundations.
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  • Posted by plusaf 10 years, 5 months ago
    Thanks for the memories...
    I cut my teeth on WATFOR at RPI on an IBM 360/45 and even got into some pseudoassembler for debugging.
    "My first computer" was a teletype in 1969 or so running 2400 baud to a "Tymshare" time-sharing system. I was using it to determine the intersection points of multiple histograms' peaks.
    Then my department went to an HP2100A with CORE MEMORY (Google that...) When you turned off the power switch (key) everything stayed in the magnetic memory and "booting the system the next day" was as fast as the power supplies came up and you could hit the "Run" button.
    And when we upgraded it from 32k to 64k, that one memory board cost us more than my first house and about six times as much as my first car.

    Talk about the "good old days"?
    Oh, and my wife did some programming on a computer that you can now see in the Smithsonian.

    Lucky kids...
    But I taught myself html and have had lots of web fun at work and since. Technology is fun!

    Now, if BHO had made a pitch for "Critical Thinking," I'd be on board with that..

    :)
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  • Posted by Argo 10 years, 5 months ago
    I really think this is just pandering to the education system. I would argue that it is nonsense to push for expanding the curriculum for computer science to the masses. If considered in an historic perspective many changes in technology have impacted the world and America, but we all didn't need to become electricians to use television, or engineers to use automobiles, or operate turbines to use light bulbs. The market will provide the computer science geeks we need to benefit from the new technologies, if the government will let it.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree that the ACA is a perfect example of the muscle mystic mentality. They think (if "think" is the right word) that possessing machines or some other material product will give them the power to produce.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Mostly, it is the past, not the future. I mean that the basic skills of computer programming are well known and deeply ingrained in our society, like any other literacy. It is like civil engineering, really, something very common and basic. The future is with life sciences.

    Technical skills are important at some level, depending on what you do for a living. But the brain surgeon does not need to know how to write a computer program - though it might be helpful for some kinds of work.In fact, considering the state of the art in surgery, it is not computers but ROBOTS that you need to know how to program. Robots are increasingly common. But, "programming" chemicals is also important. It just depends.

    Consider the automobile and how few people know - or need to know - how to build and repair one. I could point to civil engineering as a basic requirement of any person who wants to live well in a city. Yet, millions live well in cities without knowing civil engineering.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You need to understand what Common Core is and is not. This is the link for the Standards for mathematical modeling in high school.
    http://www.corestandards.org/Math/Conten...

    Whether the school has computers or not is not considered. Only the outcome, the ability to create mathematical models of realworld events.

    That said, we have plenty of programmers here in America. The decision to give the award to CGI Federal was political. But you can read all about that yourself by putting "obamacare canadian company" in a search engine. Also, just because the company is "Canadian" does not mean that the work was not done here. I have worked for Kawasaki, Honda, Zeiss, and Capgemini and never been to Japan, Germany, or France. CGI has about 100 offices all over the USA.
    See here - http://www.cgi.com/
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    See my comments directly above. The problem - if it is only "the" or "a" problem - has been known and addressed (or not) over time, depending on the life cycle of the organization. Mature organizations tend to have strong project management. That does put a damper on creativity and outside the box thinking. So, trade-offs must be considered. I have been through "value engineering" and "total quality" and "capability maturity" and "life cycle management" and "Agile/Scrum" and worked a lot of unmanaged projects in between. I think that it comes down to (1) people and (2) culture. People are primary; but culture counts. And I have been on Big Organization projects where ANNOUNCING success was take as a substitute for the reality. ... but we all have, right?

    When I started, you (the programmer) wrote code on a green form and had it reviewed (by a programmer analyst) before it went to the keypunchers. Programs still failed often and it was the programmer's job to debug it.

    Earlier this year, I spoke to a local Ruby on Rails group on "Documentation for Developers" and I put up a couple of slides of Visio tools, and also resurrected Warnier-Orr and Nassi-Shneiderman. My point was that it does not matter too much which tools you use, only that you DO NOT DESIGN IN CODE. Do not start programming until you know what you are doing.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Re BambiB topmost post - Well, that was always a problem with "hackers" (or some of them). For a presentation on documentation for developers to a Ruby on Rails group here in Austin, I cited Joseph Weizenbaum's "Computer Power and Human Reason." He likened (some) programmers to the compulsive gambler of Dostoevsky.They superstitiously believe that one more subroutine will fix their program when the real problem is that they started coding without any understanding of the substantive field they were working in.

    OTOH, in "Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution" by Steven Levy and in Tracy Kidder's "The Soul of a New Machine" the hacking heroes were those who insisted on Doing The Right Thing. Compromises in quality were anathema to them.

    So, just to say, slapping code together is an old problem but not really the norm. I have made one or two computer user group meetings a week here in Austin - Cloud and Ruby, mostly, but several others, also - and I see a general concern for doing the right thing. I will grant, though, that you are not totally amiss and I will place the moral burden on management - or the lack of it.
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