The only that should be free is for obummer to leave.

Indeed. That is one of the reasons why AS resonates with so many of us.

"When your competition is not only subsidized, but you are forced to subsidize it"
Now that's a statement that could be used to describe many situations today. In some cases we are being forced to subsidize our own destruction

When Florida Tech started a football program a few years ago, a lot of faculty and several administrators below our president thought it would be a joke. I honestly wasn't sure how it would work out. After winning our first game of our first season and then going 6-5 in our second season, it really has been a morale booster for the university. The first group of football seniors is about to graduate. Two of them are taking their 2nd class from me this term, and they are among the best in the class. Unfortunately one of them tore his Achilles during junior year, but he did well in the classroom and on the field this year.

Thanks, khalling. It isn't saltydog that is in disagreement with me. I just would like the person who downvoted me to step up and claim it.

Thanks, mamaemma. The same person likely downvoted me further down for an opinion I expressed comparing having to finance my competition, the state universities, to being forced to be part of the Steel Unification Plan.

Me, too

Voted you back up

I don 't know who's picking on you today j. But I gave your point back.

Wow, I got downpointed for just stating a fact, rather than giving an opinion. Usually I don't care about being downvoted, but I generally know when to expect it. This was a surprise.

Regarding the Bachelor of Athletics degree, 90% of the athletes would still be getting a degree in something other than athletics.

The vast majority of athletes are not taking places from otherwise qualified students because most of such students are in sports than consume revenue rather than generate it.

I am not opposed to such a Bachelor of Athletics. It is usually called a B.A. or B.S. in Physical Education.

Again, yours is a fine institution, and as a private school it can do as it pleases. (To take it a step further, Bob Jones University, another fine school, refused to become accredited as the founders did not wish to be in a position where the state could on a whim dictate what was necessary to graduate. As a result, 529 Plan money cannot be used for education there without paying an IRS penalty.) but again, we're steering wide of my point. That's all I'm saying.

I'll leave you the last word.

In the case of my private university, it is our right to determine if giving student-athletes a scholarship is in our best interest without having to take such money from the taxpayers. The student-athletes we are giving scholarships to are, by and large, better than the average student. They have to be better students to compensate for the extra time that their athletic commitment (part of their value) will require of them. We, as a university, our getting value from them as well, and I think it is about an even trade overall.

In the case of a state university, that trade involves a third participant - the taxpayer - whose only return on investment is the vicarious enjoyment of their football or basketball teams. In most cases, the taxpayers do not get value for value, and they certainly have no say in the matter as their "contribution" is taken by force. In my case, in particular, this "contribution" is especially egregious because it improves my competition at my expense. Having to do so is like unwilling participation in the Steel Unification Act or the Railroad Unification Act.

By the way, Florida taxpayers pay the 6th highest percentage of moocher college students' tuition (read state schools) of the 50 states. Until Rick Scott became governor (someone I detest despite his alleged conservatism because he and his cronies started a state university with virtually the same name as ours - Florida Polytechnic Institute), Florida taxpayers had the 2nd highest such percentage to pay.

Yours is certainly a fine institution, but this all wide of the point I made. I said that I opposed athletic scholarships from the perspective that the recipients were taking seats away from students in other disciplines, and that if one were there for, say, playing baseball, his degree should reflect that. You seemed to indicate that you thought the system is fair as it is. Or have I misunderstood you?

Cloward-Piven, again, if you can recognize it...

Oh, yes! But to admit it, they have to admit how stupid they are. And that really hurts...

He messes with them because he thinks he knows all about things.

And Margaritaville in Key West

Do you suppose that when they bend over it hurts them more than me?

That's because his lies and failures are really their lies and failures. The 100 million parasites wanted to believe what they wanted to believe. Osama, in fact, was quite truthful about his intentions, but he threw in enough fish hooks that the "give me" crowd went wild for the promised land of pilferage. When you mention that to them, they turn blue because somewhere in their tiny brains, probably in the spinal cord, they realize that more has been stolen from them than they managed to steal themselves.

Most everything he says or does is stupid, but this one makes sense. Too many student athletes bust hump to get scholarships, Then they go out there and bust ass to make and stay on the team, then the team puts this 19 or 20 something, regardless of gender, at risk, they blow out a knee and the University tells them sorry bout that shit. All the while making millions off the NCAA & TV, but only the coaches, and the commie professors get any of it! That's just BS!~

You expect the universities to give up all that free income?

Are we sure he has a college education? I've never seen any proof of that and no one has been able to produce any.

He keeps his nose out of white folks being murdered by brothers.