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'I've Made My Decision — I'm Out.' Glenn Beck Leaves The Republican Party

Posted by richrobinson 10 years, 7 months ago to Politics
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The Republican majority has been disappointing. Beck is right about them giving up on immigration and O'care. I changed to Libertarian years ago but our options are limited.
SOURCE URL: http://www.wkkj.com/articles/national-news-104668/ive-made-my-decision-im-out-13420429/?cmp=oboffsite


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  • Posted by terrycan 10 years, 7 months ago
    So where is Glen going to go? Third parties rarely win elections. More often they put in the candidate furthest from their cause.
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    • Posted by $ winterwind 10 years, 7 months ago
      Hunh? I'm unclear about putting in the candidate furthest from their cause.
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      • Posted by terrycan 10 years, 7 months ago
        Yes that was vague. OK so There are 3 candidates.
        Leftie Dem
        Rightie GOP
        Libertarian.
        The Libertarian pulls votes away from the GOP and the Dem wins.
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        • Posted by $ jdg 10 years, 7 months ago
          Ross Perot's 12% did indeed have exactly that result in 1992, which is why I would like to see us with Australian (preferential) voting. But I would argue the problem becomes less important the farther the GOP moves away from liberty. If the Republican is going to increase spending anyway, then I might as well vote LP because a Republican president would continue moving the ball toward the wrong goal line.
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        • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 7 months ago
          Somehow that logic didn't apply forever when the Republican Party was born in the 1850's. It is tough to start a new party, but not impossible. Ross Perot might have won had he not folded like a cheap tent when exposure of his daughter's reputation was threatened in 1992.
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        • Posted by $ winterwind 10 years, 7 months ago
          thanks, I see. "help elect" or "help get elected", right? too true.
          and it won't stop as long as everyone says "voting for a Libertarian is just wasting your vote - she'll never win!" as if there were some virtue in having voted for the candidate who won, as opposed to voting for the candidate you believe in.
          the thought goes on.....
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "So, now I am a jerk and objectivists are self righteous, miss the entire point of the novels, have a primary interest of being jerks"
    Nothing like that. Send me a PM, and we can find a time to talk by phone or in person. I never meant anything like that.

    " Also you do not believe the books are about politics. They are."
    They're a rejection of all that political crap you went over where you turn bad policies and scandals into partisan games.

    "I do not believe it is in your best interest to start a thread as you have suggested to dissect your past contradictions"
    It is in our interest to explore apparent contradictions. That's how we get find things out, how we find logical errors or bad axioms/premises.

    Some of your comments are on track. I will gladly help you on the areas you need to work on.
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    • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 10 years, 7 months ago
      "I never meant anything like that." Glad to hear that, but you see, this is an example of your communication failure. A PM: I shall give it some consideration, but I do not see any areas I need work on, unless you mean the misconceptions you believe some of us have acquired due to your comments which require clarification. In which case, you need to address them to a wider audience. My understanding alone is of little consequence.

      As far as the partisan games go, they are the engine that drives the cronyism, collectivism and statism that the books address... Of course the message is also a rejection of them.

      The only thing in question and problem is your recognition of who are the worst offenders, what is their driving ideology and avoiding the perception your associations and some of your comments have garnered for you. I suggest you consider all of the past negative comments by other contributors. Many have pointed out contradictions you seem to have given little consideration. This may profit you more in the future.
      I hope you find the clarity you seek.
      I'm done.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 6 months ago
        "I do not see any areas I need work on"
        I do not either. You said you would help straightening me out of Objectivism, and I said the same thing back as snide remark. As with all snarks, it reflects badly on me for making it and not on anyone else.

        I agree completely with your comments on partisan games.
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        • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 10 years, 6 months ago
          Hello CircuitGuy,
          You read me all wrong. I do not do snark. I was sincere and trying to remain civil in the face of your less than flattering reaction... I truly believe you have some areas of contradiction with the philosophy. If you wish to take that as offensive, I do not see it that way, but I can't change that.
          Good grief,
          Respectfully,
          O.A.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 6 months ago
            Yes. I was trying to say I am truly sorry for snarking.
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            • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 10 years, 6 months ago
              Thank you CircuitGuy. That was clear and decent of you. It is possible to have misunderstandings. The written word does not always come across as intended. I am quite happy to clarify and that usually solves the misunderstandings.

              Despite what many see as problematic views on your part you seem like an intelligent individual. If I might venture some advice without intention of insult: When you are getting negative feedback and are certain you have been clear, I am quite well versed on the philosophy, the novels and willing to help anyone as long as they remain civil and do not automatically interpret my replies as snark. It is not my style and I rarely if ever resort to it. One must say something truly egregious to prompt me to such remarks. I almost always reserve my snark for politicians, not board members. If you will also receive it as intended helpful advice, there are others here that may not share my patience or tolerance, but would probably appreciate your attempt to make amends.

              I'll tell you what, if you are to remain here and wish to make attempt to make peace with the other members that have become irritated with some of your comments, and they find it acceptable, I will consider being magnanimous, PM you and try to help you navigate some of the pitfalls. There are certain views you hold that will only go over like a lead balloon here in the public domain. By now you must realize what some of them are. These it would be best to examine outside of this venue or risk admonition. In the mean time I suggest you investigate the relationship between Ayn Rand and William F. Buckley jr. Rand considered him persona non grata because of his views and remarks despite the fact that Buckley was, to the best of my knowledge, civil. I may be your best hope. Please do not disappoint. I may be the most patient long term member around here and I do not want to regret my offer.Some would just as soon ignore you. I do not intend this to sound condescending either. Again, I do not do snark.

              Respectfully,
              O.A.
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