Question stemming from my curiosity
Today, where can someone go to simply disappear from everyone and everything. By this I mean pulling a Jeremiah Johnson or Grizzly Adams, stepping out of society completely and living off hunting and farming without TV, radio, running water, etc. A place where a person can never hear another persons voice for years or until death takes him.
Is there anyplace left in the US where someone can live like this?
Is there anyplace left in the US where someone can live like this?
I personally, along with others in my Salmon River rafting group, met Hart (also called "Buckskin Bill") in 1962. As I recall, he was wearing some kind of Viking helmet (with protruding horns) he had made, and very eager to trade or sell some of the things he had fashioned by hand out of local materials. At least I suppose it can be said he was a dedicated loner who loved mountain seclusion.
One wonders what he thought of Marilyn and the crew if they were in his vicinity during the '50s filming of River of No Return...
no place in mind, on the harley, some days . . .
freedom is a wonderful thing! -- j
But don't move here. It's getting crowded like CA did after I moved THERE, too, back in '78... :)
You could take that food to a Gulch located in the arctic. Fish and food from their greenhouses are staples for them, but they want spices, sweetners, etc.
I'm for everyone living his own unique dream. Mine is different. Value comes from humans specializing and freely providing their own special skills in trade with others doing likewise, all trying to improve themselves and live their own dreams. We need to find a way for large numbers of people to do that with minimal interference.
So we need to find a way for people who want to do that go do it, trade with the rest of the world, and stay under the radar of hardcore looters.
I tried the same in 1977 by moving to Arizona, but it took 20 years to learn that I was too late. In fact, in 1976, just before I moved out west as a young lad of 22, "they" had passed FLPMA, claiming federal ownership of the public lands in perpetuity for the first time in US history. But, I was enthralled with the principle of the 1872 Mining Law that one could gain private rights just through the investment of time, savvy, and sweat in the wilds of the West just locating a source of gold. Something a geologist is eminently qualified to do.
I learned how correct the old laws were but how way too late it was during the Son of Sage Rebellion in the mid-90's when "they" absolutely shut down any attempt at States Rights in Nevada and the West. With that came the realization that the primary way is to hide in plain sight.
The only other way (with a high price) is to stick to the principle that the feds have nothing outside of the defined powers and make the stand highly public. And take the heat (I wish I could underline that statement). That is what Cliven has done since the fine effort in the 90's with Son of Sage. I met Cliven in those days and know exactly what he is doing here 20 years later. A good man.
There are presently greenhouse barges in existence that use zero resources from shore. They use solar for power and batteries to run all of the pumps required to cycle the water through an aquaponic system which uses fish waste to fertilize the plants for food. You even grow your own fish food in the tanks. Presently they use rainwater for the most part. Granted, if you do not get rain for a while the barges would have to have a secondary water resource possibly from water desalination but it is possible.
You would never run out of soil to grow anything because you can compost all/most of the waste created on board including animal manure as long as they don't eat any meat. You could also compost the human food waste including all wasted greens and plants after they have completed their duty to supply foods such as fruits and vegetables. As long as you allow some of the plants to go to seed such as radishes, you can always have a seed bank. Many fruits and vegetables provide seeds within them. Potatoes are their own seeds. You just have to harvest some of the seeds. Fruit trees supply food for many years.
If the boat/ship stayed near the tropics, food could be supplied 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
Oh yes, and for the people that like spices or sweeteners, they can all be processed right on board. Stevia is a great substitute for sugar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPnMsRYL...
If it's a place without strong existing government (such as the suggestion of mountains in South America) you have to expect that other dissident groups (drug lords and/or revolutionaries) will be hiding there too, and will target you just because you're not them.
Come, stay, add, learn ... and then return. Hoping to get it up-and-running in 5 years.
My family is the only thing keeping me from trying. You are right, I would likely die within a year., but what a year that would be. The alternative is to have a reliable vehicle and wander around the country, that I may just do one day.
Jan, has a little list
Living without TV and radio is easy. It's called an off switch. I do have a collection of books and movies, produce my own power and make my own water. As for the last part....there's this little bay with a great anchorage...visited by others but rarely...and great fishing... Someone builit a house on the hill and leaves their wifi on when absent. The fishing is great. Fresh yellowtail tonight!
annual $$, or send someone. . call Sarah or Todd
and they can guide you. -- j
Living off hunting and farming and being entirely out of the path of civilization is fine until you break a leg, have appendicitis, or get a toothache. We are all tired of feeding the beast, but I think a more realistic plan is to buy/build a house/cabin that is 20 miles outside of a town, purchase food at the local farmer's market and have access to medical help as needed.
Alas! I too do not know 'where'. I have heard that there are such hidden places in upstate Alabama...the local dinosaur would be able to comment on that.
Jan
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