They're going to die. It's only a question of when.
Why do I have an obligation to keep them alive at my expense with no compensation? Where's the decency in slavery?

Oh, and MY money will be taken to pay for yours.

"backs of his fellow citizens"

Yup, like clean water and other infrastructure we have agreed to as a society.

It's not a debate. If someone doesn't like America the way it was designed to be by the Founding Fathers, there are other countries out there based upon other philosophies... especially socialist philosophies, particularly among the nations he's cited.
That is the one who should leave, out of his own self-interest in his own happiness.

Many folks can't afford the preventative care you suggest be paid for.

Thus they move into more expensive situations.

It's less expensive to treat things early.

Japan isn't bankrupt as you are trying to suggest. And their health care is better than ours.

That's because your point... isn't. It's entirely blunt.

Both are archetypes; the doctor who doesn't give a damn about people but cares immensely about finding the cure, and a doctor who wastes her time and efforts sympathizing about the patient's suffering.

SLAVERY shouldn't be running medicine.

And in your case, greed IS running medicine. When you take my money, and my neighbor's money, and the guy down the street's money, and use it without their permission or consent to pay for your brother's sister's cousin's sinus medicine, that is *your* greed, and your brother's sister's cousin's greed... claiming the unearned as a right. Confiscating the product of my industry and creativity to pay for what they otherwise could not afford. Forcing doctors to settle for less than what the market would bear if they were allowed to operate freely. Denying them the yachts and vacations in the Hamptons, and thereby removing incentive for them to go through the hell necessary to become doctors.

You want a cure for high medical costs... *competition*. Reduce regulation, and allow doctors to make an even higher profit margin.

I have a friend who became a truck driver. He wasn't interested in driving trucks. But, he'd lost his business, he had had his fill of abject poverty, so he chose the profession that he was able to do and make the most money at. Yes, his decision was the result of "greed"; the further result of his "greed" is that goods were delivered.. foodstuffs... were delivered all over the country in a timely, efficient manner, because he knew that by offering higher quality for his work, he would be able to command even more money.

Likewise, a doctor offering greater quality of treatment, in a free market, will be able to command a higher rate for his services, while people will still be able to get lesser quality treatment for a lesser price from less capable doctors. The incentive to give the highest quality service lies in... greed.

Removing the incentive of greater profit, and you remove the incentive to give greater quality healthcare, and eventually the standard quality is the minimal quality to avoid losing one's license.

This is the way the real world works, whether you like it or not.

ANSWER THE QUESTION. Are you afraid to admit it?

Are you afraid to admit that MY MONEY will be taken to pay for YOUR OPERATION?

Now explain to me how it will be cheaper. What will cause doctors to charge less, just because the money is being taken from the pockets of millions instead of the pockets of the patients?

What will cause the medical part of the expense to go away? What you meant was that the *patient* will no longer have to bear the whole burden of the cost, because it will be loaded onto the backs of his fellow citizens.

WALK OUT into this country you claim as your own. You're asking me to explain why blades of grass behave in such a grass like way.

I'm not going to do your research for you.

Okay, you win. Health care costs and health insurance prices are NOT going through the roof. They're not high at all, because nobody is availing themselves of health care or health insurance.

What procedures does a typical policy cover? Mammograms? Prostate exams? Tranquilizers? Birth control pills? What?

The idea of *insurance* is to cover emergency, catastrophic circumstances. You have a car accident, you have insurance. You need an oil change, you pay for it. Sure, regular maintenance might prevent blowing a tire and having an accident, but should insurance pay for your Goodyear radials or the 75 cents 7/11 charges to air them up? Should insurance pay to have the dents you got in your Prius 18 months before getting the policy knocked out?
Should it pay for the garage to house your Prius so that it doesn't get hail damage.... just in case?

Examples would be anecdotal; surely you want data rather than examples? Japan's depression? When WAS the last time you picked up a newspaper, or turned to anything but the human interest pages?

Spin, repeat as needed Hiraghm.

The same way a doctor gets paid in Canada or one of our military doctors gets paid.

Perhaps.

I don't need to show any proof. What will be will be. That's the title of this thread, we will see how it turns out.

You sure seem to miss the point a lot.

Both are fictional and won't cure anything.

Yet still, my point is that greed should not be running medicine.

From Hiraghm: "You're the one who wants to turn America into one of those socialist paradises you keep bringing up."

Absolutely FALSE. Quit making stuff up.

Let 'em die... Human decency?

All doctors are driven by greed; all humans are driven by greed.

What varies is what humans are greedy *for*.

Answer the question, Dr. Potter. How do the doctors get paid?

My guess is you would let him drive to the hospital drunk too.

Must be nice to live in a world where you can make stuff up instead of doing research or seeing facts.

Ain't it great that not all doctors are driven by greed?

Still no examples, just claims.

Me too. Oil subsidies, stupid wars...

Fine, then take his mind off money, and you, personally, out of your pocket, pay him the fifty to hundreds of thousands of dollars his medical education cost him.
Then he can exercise his passion for saving lives.
Personally, I'd rather be treated by Dr House than by Dr. Cameron.

No, *this* is not America. In America, you pay for your own goods and services, or you do without.

You're the one who wants to turn America into one of those socialist paradises you keep bringing up. If anything, YOU should be the one leaving, for your idea of paradise exists. Leave my idea of paradise alone, and let us return it to what it was meant to be.

It would depend upon the individual circumstances.
Suppose a patient was in desperate need of an operation, and the doctor, who had been out with his wife celebrating their anniversary, was the only doctor available with the training and experience for the operation? Should he sit in a jail cell? Or let the patient die? If he lets the patient die, does he *then* sit in a jail cell?