We WILL find out how it works

Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 5 months ago to Government
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Vermont decided to take it a step further by setting up their very own single payer system.

The slogan of the program: Everybody in, nobody out.

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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Then let those who use those roads pay for them.
    I pay for the products.

    And trucking companies pay a TON of additional highway fees to the federal vampires.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I do not define forcing people to do what is right as being "right". Therefore, not everyone.

    So you do not believe that there is an objective measure of "what is right"?

    Is theft right or wrong? Is taking someone's property for someone else's use right or wrong? I regard the former as wrong and the latter as just as wrong. Does "everyone"?
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No. "interacting with" is not the same as "dependent upon".

    Trading value for value is "interacting with". It creates no dependence.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    you choose to interact with society as a rational decision. You are not "dependent" ,by its definition, on society.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    1. Contingent on another.
    2. Subordinate.
    3. Relying on or requiring the aid of another for support: dependent children.
    I do not see that any of those definitions fit rozar, as he describes himself. He lives by free, voluntary exchange for a mutual benefit. He wishes to live in a system where YOU aren't going to get any value by voting for the use of physical force against him. He would like to trade for governmental protection of natural rights from others' using force against those rights.
    On all laws which limit his freedom, he does not accept them but may be willing to to endure them while actively advocating for their end.
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  • Posted by Rozar 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm dependent on interacting with society. That doesn't mean I'm obligated to do anything for them, nor does it mean they are obligated to do something for me.
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  • Posted by Rozar 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm not going to argue with someone who kills people who disagree with him. Go to hell.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Why should I pay for roads in Hawaii and bridges in Alaska, when I have never, and most likely will never, need to drive on either? Why should I pay for health care for homosexuals in San Francisco, when I have no say in their diet, exercise, or other behavior? Why should I pay for windmills in Arizona, when my State is loaded with oil and natural gas? Not to mention plenty of wind.

    My local government can be paid to arrange the construction of local roads and bridges, and their upkeep, as well as utilities. The most successful roads around here are toll roads.

    "We" do not need to pay for health INSURANCE (which is what Obamacare is and is NOT the same thing as healthcare).

    Of what benefit is it to me that you get cancer treatment? Of what benefit is it to me that you get your hernia operated on? Roads, power grids, bridges, I can decide whether they are needed around here, and am a lot more likely to have an effect on any local government decision, as people who've never been here, who don't live here, and who have no vested interest in the well-being of my community won't be sticking their noses (or votes) in.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How does the society around him make possible the standard of living he enjoys?

    Prove that Rozar is *dependent* on society.
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Awwww Fred, please be consistant: "I have no desire to judge you or anyone else on their morality."

    You have judged gays harshly many times.
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    Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yup, you don't want to support the society around you that makes possible the standard of living you enjoy.

    I'm optimistic you could find a hut in the woods like Theodore John "Ted" Kaczynski did. Wayyyyy off the grid. With nobody looking for you it's unlikely you would be bothered. It would be your own personal gulch.

    Otherwise you are dependent upon society. Like it or not there are obligations to be a part of it.
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    Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree that individual charity is a good thing.

    But we still need to support society. Without it we don't get to enjoy the standards we have. That includes roads, bridges, health care, utilities, and all the infrastructure we need to get along.
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