Allen West: EPA Engaging in Backdoor Gun Control

Posted by UncommonSense 11 years, 11 months ago to Business
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They finally got to the Hank Rearden of the Lead Ore smelting industry. (golf clap for the Left) What I'd like to know is, what are the future plans of the current producers of the soon-to-be shutdown company? Surely they're not going to go home & sit down to watch CNN's endless repeat of Ovomit care & the website shenanigans? I'm thinking they'll find another place to set up shop & bring jobs. Canada? Who here in the Gulch knows something about mining lead ore? Obviously, that industry too must be effected too.

(music)...He's gonna change it, and rearrange it....This is absolute power in action.
SOURCE URL: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/12/01/Allen-West-EPA-Engaging-in-Backdoor-Gun-Control


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  • Posted by Zenphamy 11 years, 11 months ago
    Though I've never worked directly in lead mining or smelting, I grew up near and around the old lead mining districts of NE Oklahoma, SW Mo, and SE Ks, and obtained my under graduate studies at the Univ. of Mo. - Rolla. As a design and project engineer and construction manager, I've worked in hard-rock copper mining and smelting which is fairly similar, in Aluminum smelting and production, oil shale mining and processing, molybdenum mining and refining, uranium mining and refining, gold and silver mining and refining, and have familiarity with all other mining and metals production.

    There are several metals not mined in the US including aluminum, nickel, and rare earths, and others have been drastically reduced by EPA and state environmental regulation including copper, cobalt, and of course coal (though not a metal). The impact on that industry (mining, smelting, refining, and production) in general over the last 30 years or so has been so drastic, as in reducing to near extinction levels in many, if not most areas of the US.

    Someone asked the question of primary vs. secondary (or recovered) lead for bullets. There is no significant impact on the quality of ammo, whether lead or jacketed. Though I can't quote the numbers, I think that the most lead used in hunting ammo was that for shot for bird hunting which has essentially all been changed to steel for a number of years now, again through EPA because of accumulations in lake and river areas. A significant portion of rifle ammo is expended at ranges, where it is recovered and re-used. Of note is a recent change in the law in California to totally eliminate lead ammo in that state.

    Of course there will be cost increases resulting from the need to import primary lead, since recovered lead pricing follows the costs set by primary lead.

    Hope this adds some to the discussion.

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    • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 11 months ago
      The whole thing about ammunition and a lead shortage is a diaper load.

      They had about three years to bring new technology on line. They failed, so far. They also have proprietary new technology they are continuing to develop that may come on line in the future. Some of their employees remain to work on this technology.

      AND THERE IS MORE!

      Primary smelting isn't their only business. Most of the lead in America comes from recycling batteries and the like. They are in that business too.

      There will be no shortage for ammunition. This entire episode will have minimal, if any, short term ripples, and longer term solutions will be put in place either through new technology or supply lines via importation.

      Sheesh guys, why don't you get all the facts before you go with your false informational circle jerk?

      Where did I find this out. The company itself: http://www.doerun.com/MediaCenter/NewsRe...
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      • Posted by Zenphamy 11 years, 11 months ago
        >>"Sheesh guys, why don't you get all the facts before you go with your false informational circle jerk?"<<

        I fail to see what your reply has to do with the post I offer on this thread, nor the reason for the comment you added, quoted above. If you'd like to reply to my comments on a subject, please try to do so in a more cogent and relevant manner.

        >>"Primary smelting isn't their only business. Most of the lead in America comes from recycling batteries and the like. They are in that business too."<<

        Where do you think the lead for the batteries to be recycled came from in the first place, and how do you intend to replace the lead lost in the recycling process or from batteries not turned in for recycling or the increased battery needs as population increases? China, I suppose.

        Sounds like more government force and looting applied to the US population to me.

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          Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 11 months ago
          Read the article. There are new processes in development.

          AND Obama had little, if anything, to do with this.
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          • Posted by Zenphamy 11 years, 11 months ago
            Still don't see the relevance to my comments. I never mentioned Obama and new processes don't replace lost lead or recoup the added costs of importation. As to your reference to a new process, looks like it's too costly today. Means that when the commodities cost increases enough due to shortages and import costs, then that process may be justifiable.

            But it's still a cost forced on the US population and looting of their wealth.
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  • Posted by iroseland 11 years, 11 months ago
    Back in the mid - late 90's I did a bunch of contracting at P&H. Most of my time was spent at the main facility on National Ave where at that time they were making the world largest walking drag lines. But, I also spent a day or two every week at the P&H institute. Back then they were doing a lot of mine consulting, and teaching folks to maintain and manages the equipment. Thing is, all of their consulting trips were either to Africa or Australia. The folks coming to the institute were from all over the place, but going back to work after training meant going back to Africa or Australia.

    Fast forward to today, I recently had a talk with a recruiter about signing on at Planetary Resources. My career will really have come full circle as I would be working back in the mining industry. Just the big difference this time would be that they will be mining asteroids. I think partially thanks to the fools at the EPA asteroid mining will be a reality in our lifetimes. Their are a few good things coming out of it. First, we wont need to ship water into space. Oddly I see that one as the biggest one. Second, there are some rocks out there that are loaded with stuff that we could make very good use of in a fairly big way. And finally the best part, the EPA cannot stop it..
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 11 months ago
    Bullets don't have to be made of lead. This could bite them in the ass, in the end. Imagine some clever fellow (we'll call him, "Eddie Roarke") coming up with, say, a carbon fiber bullet... one that can penetrate body armor, as an added benefit. Or a "plastic" bullet that penetrates and melts after impact, scattering molten plastic through the body. Or a new form of hollowpoint, with the copper jacket over... nothing. Or copper jacket over pressurized gas. The copper jacket might even be cheaper than current lead ammunition, and lethal in a very different way.
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    • Posted by $ stargeezer 11 years, 11 months ago
      As far as the bullet goes without a copper jacket, no there is no difference. I am one of the guys who has mastered the art of casting his own lead bullets for most of the calibers I shoot. I have thousands of rounds laid up to use in hunting, plinking and self defense.

      There are some calibers that are not ever shot in a raw lead form due to physics and chemistry. Any round in the .25 caliber and smaller are just bad choices for shooting a raw lead bullet. the velocity of the projectile is such that they will quickly clog the barrel and will most likely not be in one piece at the target due to the centrificile force tearing the spinning bullet apart.
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 11 years, 11 months ago
    I can’t believe I hadn’t heard of this. I can’t believe people on this website haven’t been talking about it. Isn't’ this huge? Couldn’t this also be a reason Homeland Security was buying up all that ammo? If the plant closes and they find some way to place some type of special tariffs on imports, making importing ridiculously expensive, they will disarm us by default. Three years. Unbelievable. I want to know more about this company and wether or not the owner would consider going back into business if we can address this matter.I think the next government should subsidize the changes for this industry. I mean, green-living is something the liberals want to invest, right? I would love to watch this socialist’s collective-heads explode.
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    • Posted by Rocky_Road 11 years, 11 months ago
      Read this deeper article about the closure:
      "President Obama had little, if anything, to do with the longstanding battle between the EPA and the Doe Run Company. Further, if one is to take ammunition manufactures at their word, it does not appear that the Herculaneum closure will have any affect on the availability of ammunition in the United States."
      http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12/...
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      • Posted by 11 years, 11 months ago
        Although that's obviously good news, the sad fact is we no longer smelt lead in this country after 31 Dec 2013. Who wants to take bets when we no longer have coal-powered energy plants?

        My point is Ovomit is going after (via the EPA in this example) producers. To see where this ends, Venezuelans lost power last night. They are what we can look forward to if no one can stop this madness.
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        • Posted by $ Mimi 11 years, 11 months ago
          Obama didn’t start this, is what the article was saying that Rocky posted. I would like to know if there is any difference in a ‘pure’ lead bullet and a recycled one? We’ve got to have somebody around here who could answer this.
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        • Posted by Rocky_Road 11 years, 11 months ago
          I agree that the EPA is being 'used' to cripple our economy, and to defeat any hopes of being energy independent. It has been my belief for some time now, that our domestic communists have taken over the environmental movement for nefarious reasons....
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      • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 11 months ago
        More from that article, Rocky: "It’s important to note that the Doe Run Company has been battling the EPA since at least 2003 and that the particular regulation cited by the company as the reason for the closure is from 2008 — before Barack Obama was even inaugurated."

        Looks like they've pretty much shot themselves in the foot, but not with lead Obama had anything to do with.
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