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If I see one more article or tv spot about "giving back" I swear I'm going to scream!

Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 2 months ago to Culture
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It's so obvious that this is a successful attempt to shape what people think is good and admirable. Especially when I see stories about children "giving back". When I was growing up children were recognized for their achievements; now only altruism is lauded.
How much would I give to see even one businessman, sports star, or celebrity say "No one gave me anything. I earned it!"


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  • Posted by JoleneMartens1982 9 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I chose to have my kids when I was ready. They were not exactly planned, but they were discussed and it was mutually decided upon. Not everyone has babies on accident. I would have agreed with you 15 years ago, but after my niece was born, and I had to move away, my life seemed incomplete without her. I didn't figure it all out for a few years, but it all made sense once I found out I was pregnant. My two boys are the best things that ever happened to me. And the education is still there, its just that kids are distracted by insignificant bullshit and lack the ambitions necessary to succeed.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Woodlema, it sounds like you made the right decision for your life. I wanted my children very much, and that was the right decision for me. With them, the highs were higher and the lows were lower, that's for sure!
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  • Posted by woodlema 9 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    One thing in my life I am proud of. I never spawned any kids. Maybe if this were back in the 50's I would have but there was no way I was going to put myself and any kids through the 90's on.

    My neighbors, are all grieving their problems, the attitude of the kids, the poor education they are provided. And all I can do is look at them and say HAHAHAHAHahahah...See what happens when you don't know what Condoms are for? That little 50 cent piece of latex/rubber can save you hundreds of thousands of dollars easily in your life.
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  • Posted by woodlema 9 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Bob, so "What have you been "given" that you did not pay for either in time, money or effort or all three? I pose that other than your life, which your mother gave you and possibly the first 16 - 18 years where you and everyone pretty much mooched off their parents, I would pose that other than that, nothing has been "given" to you. I know I mooched until I was 10, then my father put me to work greasing his truck every weekend, and my mother put me to work washing dishes every night, and when I was 12, started paying 25% of my newspaper route money to my parent for rent. But other than that I was a "moocher" until I moved out.
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  • Posted by MikeWi 9 years, 1 month ago
    Someone has to give you something before you can give it back.
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  • Posted by Matcha 9 years, 2 months ago
    There is nothing wrong in the thought or act of giving as long as it is a personal choice. It is only wrong when it is by force.
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  • Posted by JuliBMe 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your statement is one, very similar to the left in that you judge people are not "this" or "that" enough to be what they say they are. Your position does not come from a love of other people but a love of your own judgement. People are not perfect. That is not to say we cannot judge others actions. That is a different subject. If you can't accept or love people as they are, in their understanding of this journey of life, then you are not serving humanity or God either.

    How do you know I am not grounded in principles? I expressed only uncertainty in the existence of a supreme being. You have to admit there is no concrete evidence either way. Faith is something we all have to grapple with. So? I don't have enough faith for you? Too bad.

    I accept Dave Ramsey as he presents himself as I do most people until they prove themselves to be otherwise. Why would I judge him? He is doing a service and giving information for which many people benefit. To criticize him is your right. However, criticism generally reflects onto the criticizer, not the recipient. He's gotten rich doing it? So? His understanding of his religion is just that, his. He has a big platform with which to express his opinion and others can take or leave it as they wish. I will say it takes enormous courage to express a definite opinion for all to hear and then have to endure the criticism (not to mention threats of bodily harm in this day and age) that is sure to come.
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  • Posted by flanap 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The trouble I have with your statements is that they sound like "that is okay for them, but not for me necessarily," in the context of Christian beliefs.

    Here is the problem. If you do not ground yourself in principles that are immutable, then you are not grounded at all and, therefore, the basis for your decisions have no reason to not change day to day or less often.

    Pragmatics is one of the worst bases to make decisions on (moral decisions that is) because how do ever know it will always work? If you are the one setting the rules, since you can change so can the rules.

    The trouble with Dave's message is that he tries to implement Christian practices, especially giving, into his business which really only have meaning for those who are believers in Jesus Christ and, therefore, have the ability to actually do those things in a manner that really matter. For the purpose which he does it, it is a business decision, not a decision which makes him a better person or a better Christian.

    How can I say that? Well, take this example. Dave touts tithing to the church as an "evangelical" Christian (whatever that means), but doesn't teach that to others on his program as part of his "financial peace" plan. Well, why doesn't he? Well, if he did that, what difference would he be than just another Bible teacher right? He doesn't teach that as a reason because that isn't what will get him more money; however, if he simple tells others that "giving is a good idea because most rich and successful people are great givers" then that sounds great, especially when you look at all the money supposedly given for great moral ends such as Bill and Melinda Gates through their foundation, the moral implications of which can easily be argued to not be toward better ends for humanity.

    At the end of the day, if your sacrificial giving isn't as unto the Lord Jesus Christ and God the Father, then it is for selfish reasons.

    Choose this day whom you will serve; it is either yourself, or God.
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  • Posted by JoleneMartens1982 9 years, 2 months ago
    So true. I always said I was not having any children. Because of the con that is our world. You are told to dream and dream big, but most of us never realize our dreams because they are so unrealistic. You have to be rich, famous and popular to be a success. Why can't you just be happy plowing the same field everyday of your life? I have spent most of my life trying to be a singer, and feeling like a failure because I didn't make it. It wasn't till I was in my late 20s that I realized, I amnot a very good singer. And that's OK. I am finally happy after all that time just being a wife, mom, and working our farm. I have become very solemn and I am so much happier, not being the center of attention that I was convinced I had to be.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Jolene, it pays off. Both my children read Atlas and Fountainhead in their mid teens, and they are great young adults who have achieved a lot. Now I just worry about how much will be stolen from them in their lives.
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  • Posted by JoleneMartens1982 9 years, 2 months ago
    This is such a great point. I have noticed this too. Lately it's like we are being beaten into believing that the only way to be a good person is to give everything away. Give away your time, give away your money, give yourself freely to help those around you, whether they are helping themselves or not. I am no where near rich, my hubby makes about 50k a year and we are barely getting by. But we both came from very very low income families.
    My husband and I have busted our tails to provide for ourselves and our children, but we also try to make sure they understand what goes into every dollar, and how to earn money and to survive. I have two boys and I refuse to see them become these sorry excuses for men that I've seen along my way. As soon as I feel they are old enough, my kids will read Atlas shrugged, and I have already begun teaching them about her and her teachings. They will definitely not be giving away their earnings or business to just anyone.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 9 years, 2 months ago
    The incident reported by LetsShrug is truly sick-
    ening. I think she (or he?) should raise h--l with the
    schoolboard and DEMAND that this s--t be
    stopped. As to the other commentator ( Temlakos), it seems
    to me less like Gerald Starnes, and more like
    Ivy Starnes, or--hold your stomach--Eugene
    Lawson (Yuckh!!) (Parenthetically, if I had a
    child, I would not send him to kindergarten,if I
    could reasonably get out of it; I didn't go, and
    didn't need to; little children need to be at home,
    and they can be taught phonics there).
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You're right. It should be 'giving to' and 'giving forward', shouldn't it? Thank you for catching my error in thought and terminology.

    Jan
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  • Posted by radical 9 years, 2 months ago
    Another platitude that I detest is "Make a difference."
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  • Posted by bassboat 9 years, 2 months ago
    Giving from the heart to someone in need is what we all should do. Of course I am talking about the truly needy and not the moochers. I get more out of giving than I do taking because taking does nothing for my self esteem. only by giving with pure intention is the kind of giving that we should be involved in. I cannot buy Ayn's statement about it not bothering her if someone else gave. She apparently did not give from her heart so that is her choice. But this giving back crap makes me sick at my stomach.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 2 months ago
    Indeed, the existing system is so completely about taking from producers, one can't help but dream about possible ways to "TAKE back!"
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  • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But also, "giving back" implies that something was given to you, therefore you must give back since you did not earn it.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 2 months ago
    Giving forward. Giving back. If these are required, then they are not virtues. If they are voluntary - go for it if you want to.

    This is why we have the concept of an 'oath under duress'. If you are pressured to take an oath, it is not valid.

    Jan
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 9 years, 2 months ago
    I completely agree. I used to make me sick when the public school would plant this in our daughter's head, when they should have been giving her academic content. Now, even the new McDonalds ads about "LOVE", a throwback to the hippie era. Giving back suggests guilt in my book, and my question is, what are they feeling guilty about?
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 2 months ago
    Watch Shark Tank. There is a lot of the "no one gave me anything" that the sharks talk about.
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