They have been threatening to do this for years. It will be another divide and conquer approach. The people in mass will not be granted a vote, and your representatives will not make it a part of their platforms for re-election. They will not even give consideration to the constitution or the intent of the commerce clause.

Anything with the word "fairness" in it today is suspect. It almost always means just the opposite. That's exactly the type of double speak Rand used in Atlas. I read the book in 1981 when I was 20. It had a profound affect on my life, and put into words the things I knew were right and true. I still follow those principles today.

good points. guess what? the head of SNAP is from my home town and I babysat his kids. His wife was my jr high teacher. I so enjoyed their company, that it is hard to see how he is complicit in this country's breakdown. sad, really sad.

khalling, transition can be hard on someone who is starting to Galt and twice I did say to not feel bad about using it under these circumstances and only to the point you had given monies to the gov't. I will admit one of my lines could have been taken as advocating doing it solely for the purpose of getting your own monies back but that was not my intent. I still disagree though that you can say in some cases money the gov't has taken is still yours while in others it is not. Case in point, I have never taken an earned income credit even when qualified as I did not earn that though the law says I am 'entitled.' I did however take food stamps for 3 months once even though friends offered to tide me over until things picked upped. I was only taking what I had paid for to the gov't already, taking from them would have been taking from their earnings.

One of the major problems with food stamps is they provide almost double what is actually needed, at least in my State. At the very least they should provide buying guidelines and recipes and stop making it so they get to have steak and high dollar foods to use up their monthly allotments. Because they will use them all each month instead of use them just for what they need. Before the '60s, welfare meant rice and beans for the most part, now it means steak and lobster.

cashing a tax refund check is getting back part of your own wealth creation.
food stamps are using a gun to force other people to give some of their wealth, even if you pay in.
If, you need it, and it is the system we live in, do it. we cannot constantly disadvantage ourselves, however, advocating for these programs to be used is immoral. On another post, I talked about applying for an NSF grant. We made the decision to do so, since the govt passed Sarbanes Oxley and made it very hard for VCs to raise capital in the US, so most concentrated on raising govt money.

Aw LS, I love debate and playing devil's advocate, but if you not having fun then <3 :)

No...I cash them, but donate it to charity... (?!) Go bug somebody else.

LS, I'm sure then that you refuse to cash tax refund checks then and leave all additional monies over amount owed with the gov't? As you pointed out, your money is long gone and this would have to be someone else's money they pay it with and that would be money you hadn't earned.

Maybe for you it's would be a skip...to me it would be a leap....a leap I'd never take. I will not become what I despise in others. I've heard your argument before....

well LS, maybe a skip but hardly a leap ;) I was merely pointing out that a producer should be able to have no guilt if during a transition to shrugging they took back from the gov't what the gov't had taken from them already. How much have you given over the years to have them waste it? Think of it as you paid the gov't for certain actions you expected, they haven't delivered so now you want your money back.

And Khalling, same thing, its only gov't dole if you take more than you gave to them. It is difficult to impossible to legally keep from the gov't what they think they deserve, but easy to have it returned to deny them the use of it.

I'm not saying you need it, I'm saying why let them have it at all. It should never been seen as something deserve, but why should they deserve your monies also. Take back your money and no more, and if it helps speed along the fall, all the better.

A leap I can't take. How can you stand against what these parasites are doing and go do the same thing.... sorry, but not happening here...Stand on your principles, earn what you make, lest you be destroyed by the free lunch !!!! That is exactly what this administration want, a society of dependance..

**Spoiler Alert** I'm going to swear!
Who the fuck said anything about going on food stamp? That was a leap.

Thank you for remembering. I'll look into the homeschool network. For the rest of this year, as long as they do some math on Kahn Academy, read the book they selected, write a journal entry on what they wrote and watch Liberty Treehouse, I'm satisfied. We'll see what next year holds...

a f##$%%^^&n post showcasing your artwork with buy now information. seriously. are you protecting me in the apocalypse? if I have to give all the orders....

reasonable. but brilliant minds figure out all kinds of solutions. govt dole? easy and for dumb people

Okay, I know some will probably call it mooching, but if for a bit you have to take food stamps in order to shrug I see no problem with it. Don't think about it as taking something you didn't earn, but getting back monies you have been forced to pay in already.

Same for other payments from the gov't, as long as you take back only what you gave or less is fair. Only when you start drawing out more does mooching & looting become involved. So figure that into your plan to shrug and maybe you can speed it along a bit :)

I do not break laws. It would only cause an imminent knock on my door. I won't deliberately poke them in the eye. We do what is necessary for our family, and cannot at this time actually shrug. One can dream, and plan for the possibility, even if it isn't n the immediate future.

I know, I just wanted to get you fired up dk! :-)

guns, cigarettes...
just kidding. it's easier to get stuff to me through visitors

the whole point of the book is about producers shrugging. most did not overtly break the laws. this is two conversations. civil disobedience and using laws in place to starve the ruling class. DK, pick one for the discussion to begin with.

pirate, I think you are referring to eskslo's post. link here. please consider re-posting.
http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts/14...