skills and talent are everywhere. In fact, many of the most successful americans did (do) not have college degrees. Time was, there were clear benchmarks for what constituted solid degrees in a classic liberal education. My friend's daughter just graduated from Harvard in a special graduate program...wait for it.....literacy.

we have learned about Hillary's heavy study of
Alinsky;;; if we knew about BHO's, I bet that it
would be quite similar -- transform the u.s. -- j

Walker has been attacked as having no value in political office leadership because he does not have a college degree.

There is no doubt that Obama graduated from Columbia and Harvard, and how he paid for it doesn't make much difference to what he is. It would be of secondary interest if it could be proved that he had outside funding for neo-Marxist political reasons just as he was recruited from New York City as a Chicago organizer not long after he graduated from Columbia. The kind of leftist education he sought out and was subjected to is much more relevant to what he is because it is intellectually a big part of how he got to be what he is.

It would be a big mistake to dismiss Obama as not being very bright, with or without faked degrees. He was and is no great scholar but he is far from dumb. An intelligent evil is much more dangerous.

Mark Twain (1835-1910): "I have never let my schooling interfere with my education."

The value of an Ivy degree -- or a degree from anywhere -- depends on the subject you study, whether it is undergraduate or graduate level, and the biases of the faculty, which are notoriously leftist especially at Ivy schools. The _influence_ of an Ivy degree and the contacts one establishes -- in politics and cronyism -- also depend on the subject you concentrate on. The "value" and the "influence" tend not to overlap.

Depends on the country and the school and the push for diversity. Can be a full ride. Goes back as far as my ancient (pre-calculator/slide rule only) EE degree with Japanese, Korean, and other students.

His education is not irrelevant to why he is such an awful president. Harvard, especially, with its leftist domination and unusual influence in national politics, was a major factor in Obama getting to where he is for the reasons he and much of Harvard wants him there.

Why? He has an undergraduate degree from Columbia and a law degree from Harvard.

The real question is not what country he was born in but what planet he is from, as the rhetorical question typically puts it. But there is no doubt that after graduating from the prestigious private Punahou School in Hawaii he attended Occidental, transferred to Columbia where he graduated, was recruited into political organizing in Chicago, and then attended and graduated from Harvard Law -- and that he sought out and was further influenced by leftist faculty while in school. His family was Marxist and to the extent they paid for him, then that, at the least, means he was financed by Marxists, with the rest of the funding undivulged.

Everybody's college records are "sealed." That's why we don't know Obama's grades. We certainly know he attended and graduated. That's not confidential. It's in the yearbooks for goodness sakes. All my assertions concerned my personal knowledge about how financial aid and admissions work at these schools.

You must be a liberal....Why no mention of entitlements, over regulation of business, OBAMACARE, gun control, his hacking away at the Constitution, his pen and his phone, he weak stance on terroism and his unwillingness to call it what it is, Benghazi, The IRS scandals (attacking conservatives), operation choke hold, Fast and Furious, climate change agenda (biggest threat on the planet) , Common core (bribing), in bed with unions, ........

A small percentage of undergraduates are admitted because of legacy or athletics. Not true at all at the law school level. I know, you don't believe me. Check out the web sites for the admissions offices and other studies regarding admission and the backgrounds of admitted students. You are correct that there are some idiots with degrees. More to the point, there are many who are not idiots but are dangerous. Obama is one of those. I hope my posts weren't confusing and it doesn't look like I'm doing a good job at glorifying myself that's for sure.

Ridiculous. Anyone who was on the law review remembers him because he was editor in chief.

A background in religious indoctrination is not and should not be a requirement to hold office.

We were discussing the financial aid process at the Ivy schools. I offered some info I happen to have. If you don't find it useful to the discussion feel free to ignore it.

Obama didn't earn great grades, at least before Harvard Law, but he wasn't dumb either. One has to suspect that more importantly he doesn't want his courses, papers, and influences to become better known.

He was a "legacy" admission to Harvard due to family history there -- his father had a master’s degree in economics from Harvard -- along with his unusual background and experience after Columbia, but he didn't have a lot of money for an Ivy League education. If he didn't get a scholarship when he moved from Chicago organizing to Harvard Law you have to wonder who paid for it to push the recruit along.

The best account of what is known about Obama's education that I know of is in Alan Gottlieb's, "Black & Blue: How Obama and the Democrats are Beating Up the Constitution", which has a lot of research on Obama's educational background. It includes the unusual history of how Obama got on the Harvard Law Review by impressing the far leftist Laurence Tribe. http://www.amazon.com/Black-Blue-Democra...

Confuse and obuscate while glorifying yourself. Lots of idiots have ivy league degrees. Getting into these schools is as much about politics than it is about skills.

Government controlled medicine, the insane war on drugs, huge deficits, counterfeiting (the Fed), endless unconstitutional wars, government spying on US citizens, ever increasing taxation and on and on.

As I have explained several times, Harvard is extremely generous with financial aid. The loans are low interest but you can pay them back over a long time if you wish. Who cares how long he took to do so?

How do you know any of your assertions? His records are sealed. This is a futile exercise

Who are we discussing at this point... bo, or you? Crimony!

If you think it's irrelevant why go on and on.......and on and on to defend it? The birth issue IS a legitimate criticism. There are also a million more, but don't say it's not legitimate.

Bush and Gore's records were controversial, too. They were both political elitists admitted as 'legacy' type privileged applicants. Likewise for the Kennedys. But Obama's hiding his past is worse because he is so much worse in his more fully anti-American attitudes and pretense at being intellectually superior.

And...so?