Should There Be Rules on When Stores Can and Can't Open on Holidays?

Posted by Hiraghm 12 years, 2 months ago to Culture
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What I found disturbing when I saw this news article on the tv in the breakroom this morning, was the number of people who actually said that yeah, there should be rules... and the reasons given? Because *they* didn't want to work that day.

And this is in the heart of conservative country!
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  • Posted by $ johnrobert2 12 years, 2 months ago
    Rational self-interest. What is in your best interest? What do you value more? You may opine that commercialism has overtaken 'traditional' values but your choices determine what you value. I choose not to participate in the post-Thanksgiving frenzy, although my daughter went to work at 5AM today as a condition of her employment. She was glad to get the hours and said she would volunteer to work extra hours if they allowed her to. She understands that work is a concomitant to her further education in college. She has defined what is in her best interest.
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    • Posted by 12 years, 2 months ago
      My initial two comments to the conversation:

      "I need to eat on Thursday, just like every other day of the week. In fact, Wednesday morning, Walmart fed me pizza; Thursday morning, Walmart fed me turkey and dressing and mashed potatoes and ham. Friday morning Walmart fed me hot submarine sandwiches and McDonald's cheeseburgers. If not for working for Walmart on Thanksgiving, my thanksgiving meal would have been a tv dinner, alone in my apartment. Instead I spent it in good camaraderie with my co-workers. There's what *I* give thanks for."

      "That's not quite accurate; if not for working for Walmart, my Thanksgiving meal would have been whatever I could scrounge out of garbage cans. because I wouldn't have a roof over my head or food in my refrigerator, that I can call *mine* because I *earned* it."
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      • Posted by $ stargeezer 12 years, 2 months ago
        I thought it was impossible to live on what Walmart pays?? At least according to certain union bosses (who make big bucks) and liberal politicians.

        My daughter works for them and is doing very well. Thank you all.
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      • Posted by RevJay4 12 years, 2 months ago
        Now there's a dose of reality for ya. Hiraghm, thanks for the reality check. Walmart has been open for this holiday since I can remember, and supporting families via paychecks since the first one opened. Customer demand and the "free" market decides what businesses do, not legislation. Well, that is how it should be, no government interference. Government has never run anything competently nor efficiently, and never will. I, too, have what I have because I "earned it", including the roof over my head and food in my fridge. Thank you, Hiraghm, for the reality check.
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  • Posted by sfdi1947 12 years, 2 months ago
    Where are all the Capitalists Here?
    Any CEO must be allowed to operate in any way that does not cause public harm. If the people didn't want to shop, then why were there all those lines???
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  • Posted by iroseland 12 years, 2 months ago
    Back in the day I worked mostly food service. Places like Ponderosa, which was close on Thanksgiving and Xmas. Then when I went to college I was a cold food prep guy in the kitchens at the University, since I needed to pay for school.. Again, closed for holidays, and mostly closed on weekends and running on a skeleton crew during breaks. I would have probably killed for more hours back then. So, if people are willing to work the hours and other people are willing to buy the product It seems like that should be the only thing that determines weather a place will be open or not..
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 12 years, 2 months ago
    There should be no rule nor law governing when a business can or cannot be open. With that said I personally choose to work in an industry where I will NEVER be required nor even asked to work on holidays or weekends. If a person chooses to work in an industry where they are required to work when they do not wish to work be that days, nights, weekends or holidays they should make a change.
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  • Posted by Stormi 12 years, 2 months ago
    The government needs to get out of our bathrooms, our kitchens, our houses and our businesses. They can't run anything right, so they want to mess up what is working.
    Okay, don't want to work a holiday, tell the boss and take the consequences, quit whining. At 16 I worked (part time) 7 days a week, with 11 hours on both Saturday and Sunday. that included Thanksgiving and Christmas. Yeah, there was a syndicate involvement, but they paid on time and every hour your worked. No overtime either.
    Later, as a reporter, I worked the same kind of hours, only, did not always get paid for them, politician owned paper. See what I mean?
    Anyway, if the stores serve the shoppers who want them open, they will open; and if shoppers stay away, they will not open. Let it be gov.Just because people whine, doe not mean we need a law.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 12 years, 2 months ago
    Being human, store owners have the ability to choose, and since they have volition they have the right to choose. They make policies which are the rules under which employees work. and which they deem will make their businesses prosper. If you don't like it, don't shop there, if you do like it, you can take advantage of it by having one day earlier to shop, or if you're an employee, by making extra money on that day.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 12 years, 2 months ago
    No, there should not be laws that limit when stores can be open (not even the old "Blue Laws"). However, these stores that advertise unrealistic loss-leaders that are limited in quantity should be outlawed.
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    • Posted by RevJay4 12 years, 2 months ago
      The "loss leaders" falls under the heading of advertising gimmicks to get folks in the door of any business. If the folks aren't smart enough to figure it out, that is their problem not the business owners. Government needs to keep their nose out of trying to run businesses. Fraud, nope, just advertising gimmicks.
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 2 months ago
    Some of the most antiquated laws businesses have to abide by in cities are Conservative-pushed. think Blue Laws, for example.
    As always," take your hand out of my pocket and leave me alone" should be the smell test for such ideas.
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    • Posted by 12 years, 2 months ago
      Read the comments. Conservative people are opposed to the blue laws; the people supporting the blue laws are the ones with a disconnect between the people buying goods and the people selling the goods being able to eat.
      They're liberals, coming up with priorities such as spending time with the kiddies.

      Sorry, I've been arguing in that comment thread for a bit now, and I'm still angry.
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      • Posted by exindigo 12 years, 2 months ago
        What?!?!? Please read your history. I suppose prohibition was a business idea too? In a sense, the moonshine and bootleg trades were capitalism without controls. Today it's the drug trade and maybe the some exotic spice trade. But the drug trade is a perfect example. It thrives given tremendous prohibitions and penalties for use. Drug dealers are only businessmen providing a service. No market, no drug dealers. When government takes control, the basic problems of uncontrolled commerce, of which there are quite a few, are magnified with winners and losers chosen by political loyalty not necessarily business acumen. I give you AIG as AN EXAMPLE.
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        • Posted by 12 years, 2 months ago
          The Pope just condemned capitalism and supports socialism. Millions of Catholics voted for Obama. The deep South was, for a long, long time, not only a source for blue laws, but a bedrock of Democrat politicians.

          Blue laws originated out of religious tenets, then continued due to tradition and familiarity. I mean, what lazy liberal is going to say "no" to not-working on Sunday? It's a day off for getting laid and getting high and griping about how terrible it is to have to earn one's living. So what if it has its origins in religious beliefs; it benefits the liberal-of-the-moment, that's all that matters.
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        • Posted by RevJay4 12 years, 2 months ago
          Outlaw something and the black market will fill the void to satisfy the market for it. Unintentional consequence of a law meant to protect the folks from themselves. Safety over liberty resulting in more harm to all. Government interference, by attempting to legislate morality, brought it on. A disaster of a law for everyone, and accomplished nothing due to market demand.
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          • Posted by exindigo 12 years, 2 months ago
            Many people forget that in 1937 Hitler announced massive gun confiscation. He said it would make Germany safer for everyone. Prohibitions are only good for controlling law-abiding people. There are many who don't care and criminals are borne from the prohibition. Then the government can control more because now the government must protect people from the criminals they created in the first place. Soon the government figures out that money can be made from criminal activity and we have Iran-Contra among other wonderful endeavors like the War on Drugs. Millions spent for nothing more than a realignment of providers and distributors.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 12 years, 2 months ago
    Pennsylvania used to have blue laws. Retail stores were not allowed to be open on Sunday. They were challenged on "seperation of church and state" grounds but since the law was written as a family day and not a religious day it was upheld. Shortly after they were ammended so that only car sales and alcohol were restricted. They were recently ammended again so alcohol is okay. Still can't sell a car. I would be okay with closing one day a week.
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