It's not children who contract measles who are most at risk. It is their unborn siblings. Measles is a teratogen which may cause stillbirth but more frequently deafness. $5Au finds it unbelievable that this is even an issue in 2015.

Thanks for posting, sll.

Interesting article, thanks for posting, plusaf.
One thing that is missing from this analysis is examination of the differences in complications and the cost of those complications comparing groups that were vaccinated from those who were not. Therefore the cost/benefit analysis in this article could be in error. Based on the info in this article, the cost/benefit could be in favor of not vaccinating in some cases:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-06...

Buried in the text of plusaf's link may be the real explanation for the Disneyland outbreak:
"The majority of cases are international importations or the result of limited domestic spread following imported cases. All other cases in recent years are believed to be due to unidentified importations."
Strike 3 against Obama's insane immigration policies.

Evidence please? People keep tossing that around, but no one ever has back-up. Every child had measles when I was a kid, no one died. As well as mumps and chicken pox. It is amazing to me that an objectivist would just toss out media propaganda without investigating.

This was a good article on vaccinations:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-06...

and when I drilled down from one of the comments on the original link, I got this one...

http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/18...

Yep, never any deaths from measles... an interesting antivax claim, eh? Jeez...

" He has seen many cases lately of unvaccinated kids showing positive titers for measles." Could that be explained by unvaccinated kids coming into close contact with recently vaccinated kids? We were discussing this subject at my chiropractor's office and she said that people shed the measles virus for a few weeks post-vaccination. I wonder if an unvaccinated person can develop measles antibodies without becoming symptomatic if they're around freshly vaccinated people.

"He has also had patients who had been vaccinated per the guidelines show negative titers" I'm afraid that I don't have enough medical knowledge to know what to think about that. Is the measles vaccine a killed virus or an attenuated live virus? If it's a killed virus then let's assume that a person doesn't develop antibodies - for whatever reason. A killed virus wouldn't cause measles or measles symptoms, would it? If that is a possibility then negative titers for vaccinated people would be possible.

If that negative-titer vaccinated person came into contact with in-the-wild measles then the reason for the failed antibody response is critical. If that person is unable to develop antibodies then would he die from the infection?

Directly regarding the people in the news who caught measles from infected, unvaccinated people, it would have been really interesting to get a quantitative titer on them prior to their infection to see if it was negative. Of course if that particular piece of data were to exist it would be a happy coincidence unless there's someone out there who has antibody titers on a regular basis, just for fun!

Same with me Herb. It was just a part of life to be expected and I never knew of anyone that died from them.

You asked, "Why?" Why is wishing that a person contract polio an evil thing to say? If the evil of your statement is not self-evident then no amount of explaining will suffice.

VAERS data is not INTENDED to be reliable. It is intended for anyone who thinks that they or someone they know has had a reaction to send in their opinion and whatever info they had. It is more of a 'lots of smoke' detector so that the CDC can say, "lets look and see if there is a fire here".

Jan

Is manipulating the data there likely? Is VAERS data likely reliable or not?

You are judged by the company you keep.
What matters are facts, not inuendo or exaggeration. While I appreciate you providing a link to support your opinion, it isn't "all you need to know about Natural News as a source" but I do see your point.
As with all "news" sites on the net, we have to judge the content ourselves because there are no content police yet. We have to be constantly aware of bias in what we read online. Your link is one source to use, and Natural News is another. I know Natural News has a lot of useful information on that site. I learned along time ago to use what is good and trash what is not. Sometimes it takes a lot of work.

Spot on! They are so very very smart that I do believe that I must endeavor to work harder at becoming dumber, more dependent, and less productive so that in all of their wisdom they can take good and proper care of me. Sigh, what is it that posses me to think for myself? And what keeps me working in spite of the fact that they take well over half? I am thinking more and more that I should follow Owen Kellogg's lead.

I like it. Let the market solve these problems.

why more regulation, because our masters in Washington know so much more than we do.

Of course, if the disease is very rare from previous vaccinations then the chance of having a reaction to the vaccine may be greater than that of catching the disease. Notice the word "kill". Measles is no fun but usually not fatal. Chances of vaccine fatality might be greater than that from measles.

Yes, I take a hopped up probiotic supplement. It seems to health with the digestive system.

"while at least 108 deaths reported in VAERS during the same time frame have been linked to measles vaccines"

VAERS is an unmonitored reporting system. You can report as many things as you want as many times as you want to in it.

Jan

Y'know, Rob - just to have it said - you have a very GOOD chance of dying in a car. I have known several people killed in car accidents.

Not a good example of a low probability danger.

Of course I support vaccination. I fault the rise of the issue to basic innumeracy.

As to the parents decision - do you support a parent's right to NOT seek medical care when their child faces the gravest extreme?

I think they are related. Not the same but in the same line.

Here's all you need to know about Natural News as a source...
http://geneticliteracyproject.org/2014/0...
Doesn't mean they are always wrong, but take anything from that site with a Pikes Peak-sized grain of salt.

What's interesting is the titers test results on vaccinated vs. unvaccinated. I was talking with our pediatrician about this just last night. He has seen many cases lately of unvaccinated kids showing positive titers for measles. Frankly, that's an amazing wrinkle. He has also had patients who had been vaccinated per the guidelines show negative titers (his own daughter was one).

There are times in mankind's history where we thought we knew all there was to know but were wrong. I think this may be one of those times. Here's hoping not only "the rest of us can remain healthier" but that we all can be healthier, especially the kids...

Why? It's the inevitable result. My dad had polio, contracted it a few years before the vaccine and has been crippled all of his life. It's so rare of an illness (post-vaccination) that the natural assumption most places he and I go is that he lost a leg in Vietnam or something. Couple of months ago we were doing some shooting at a rifle range and I asked for the veteran discount, they gave it to me and 'automagically' to him without even asking. My dad is not a veteran.

Ok, so my point stands - just because these things have been eliminated in the United States doesn't mean that they don't exist, and people can do whatever.

Have any idea how much it would cost (we) taxpayers if we suddenly have a new batch of millions of kids that will be crippled for life? From a completely preventable illness? Think those parents are not going to cry to Medicaid for treatment?

108 cases of measles in 10 years isn't because its unheard of, its because vaccinations work and they are very safe, whatever risk is minuscule compared to not vaccinating.

I lump this into the same pile of losing 4 quarts of blood in an accident, and you "will" die, but refusing a blood transfusion because of the risk of AIDS or something.