If you don't want to quibble, you shouldn't start such discussions.

A boil on the backside of humanity for two thousand years? They didn't attack Europe during the Crusades. Europe attacked them, and at the time, they were far more tolerant of other religions and more technically advanced than Europe, where persecution and book banning against heliocentricisim were instituted by the church for the next thousand years.

BTW, my books are not the bible, quran or toban's spirt guide. They are Physics and Chemistry texts and Scientific American Mind. No place in my mind for mythology. I just point out that ALL mythology serves to control a populace, and none are innocent of killing.

Do you know the Italian word for homosexual? Finnoccio, which is the word for fennel. Why are these related? Because they used to burn homosexuals at the stake, a little like a cage but publicly endorsed. To cover the smell of burning flesh, they'd put fennel in the fire. Thus when one smelled fennel, they knew it was a homosexual being burned.

How far is the Westboro Baptist Church from this really?

Do not preach against islam, unless you are ready to condemn the misuse persistent in all religions. If so, please do join me and let's
stop arguing.

These statements need more PRESS so we are aware that there are those that are ?openly? condemning of actions by Islamic terrorists. People have, in the past, committed atrocities "in the name of Jesus", but we aren't supposed to identify those killing in the name of Allah or Mohamed? And they proclaim that they are? If we had a bunch of Christians running around killing folks today, one way to identify them would be if they were carrying a cross. Would we ignore that,? ....I wouldn't ignore a cross if I was living during the Inquisition, .I'd run like hell, it's too late if they are already coming for you.. A president is supposed to be .....neutral?. but this one either gets his talking points from his muslim advisors or is one. And that's his business, but "the Emporer's New Clothes" are symbolic in everything he does. .

+1. DITTO

The only thing he worships is himself.

You "read most of it" but reference an article? Methinks you protest too much.

I've seen that chin sticking out but interpreted it as him thinking that it was for him. His arrogance is disgusting.

You're correct Robbie3024.

Naturally you'd say it's out of context. I showed you what you asked to see. I also answered your stupid question about Mormons and Amish. I have no desire to quibble with you and take the time to answer every diversion you can come up with. Your book says exactly what I said it did.

Agreed. Amen to that!

I agree but somehow I don't think this guy is going to leave quietly or give us the satisfaction of saying good bye

Amen to that!

Obama once said that the most beautiful sound was the muslim call to prayer. My most beautiful sound will be when Obama says goodbye.

Very good point.
That had slipped my memory banks.

That pause he does after making a statement, the ones where his chin is sticking out and he has that nasty smirk on his face makes me sick to my stomach. It like he's giving the audience time to ponder and absorb his genius. What is this man trying to pull on this once great country? He actually believes in everything he does and says. The whole administration is in cahoots with him from the DOJ to the State Dept. and beyond. Is half our population so hypnotized now that they can't read and understand the facts anymore? I would bet if he told the world that he was of (fill it whatever, White, Indian, Chinese, Polish) decent half the population of the US would actually believe him. I think this man has no religion at all, I think he fakes any Christian games he plays. These last six years of politics are the scariest I've seen so far in my lifetime. God help us.

Yes, I have. After an atrocity is committed, there is often a statement by a prominent Muslim spiritual or political leader condemning the terrorist attack and referencing the Koran to uphold his statements.

Last year, a team of Islamic scholars issued a refutation of ISIS underlying theology: (quote)
Awad said its aim is to offer a comprehensive Islamic refutation, “point-by-point,” to the philosophy of the Islamic State and the violence it has perpetrated. The letter’s authors include well-known religious and scholarly figures in the Muslim world, including Sheikh Shawqi Allam, the grand mufti of Egypt, and Sheikh Muhammad Ahmad Hussein, the mufti of Jerusalem and All Palestine.

A translated 24-point summary of the letter includes the following: “It is forbidden in Islam to torture”; “It is forbidden in Islam to attribute evil acts to God”; and “It is forbidden in Islam to declare people non-Muslims until he (or she) openly declares disbelief.”

This is not the first time Muslim leaders have joined to condemn the Islamic State. The chairman of the Central Council of Muslims in Germany, Aiman Mazyek, for example, last week told the nation’s Muslims that they should speak out against the “terrorist and murderers” who fight for the Islamic State and who have dragged Islam “through the mud.”
(endquote)

These acts do not claim much public attention, however. They disturb out blackandwhite mentality.

Jan

"I'm not so sure what kind of kinder gentler course correction can be made with the teachings of Mohamed, though. I don't think the idea of coexistence really works for Islam."

Especially since the Quran teaches that it is permitted to lie to an infidel, in order to achieve an Islamic goal.

Committed, yes, to a mental institution (sociopath) with no possibility of release.

Interesting thought, Rob. Christianity for a while lost its Dark Ages mind but so painfully for gradually Age of Enlightenment did a course correction more in tune with the teachings of Christ.
I'm not so sure what kind of kinder gentler course correction can be made with the teachings of Mohamed, though. I don't think the idea of coexistence really works for Islam.

I think all of the religions are BS, and based on one sort of nonsense or another. They have all killed and tortured so called 'non-believers'. The mormons were chased after relentlessly by the very government that upheld religious freedom, and they finally fled the US into Mexican territory- only to find that territory captured by the US, and the persecution resumed. Supposedly it was over polygamy (whatever.....), but I suspect it probably had to do with the fact they believed different thing.

All that being said, I suspect strongly that Obama IS a muslim, but just hid behind christianity in order to get elected. Not that I care, and would have felt better if he admitted it. I also think that the muslim religion is very warlike towards "non believers", and therefore I am very wary of muslims who dont come out specifically and vocally against the violence we see perpetrated by so called "extremist" muslims. If you dont come out against it, you are saying implicitly that the violence against non believers is OK.

maybe you haven't been paying attention, but have you seen or heard any of the muslims standing up and saying to the bad muslims you are hurting all of us with your actions; NO why because the bulk about 95 percent of them are not educated, so they know not of what is going on or if they do they have no interest in stopping it. the latest uprising started for the most part in 1979 so they have had 30 plus years to do something and they haven't because it does not mean anything to them. their life is in squalor and they obviously like it that way. just listen to the mulas.

What?
Cloward–Piven weren't moralists?
Bummer....

There is no evidence of any religious faith in Obama; he appears to see religion as a cryptic but acceptable lifestyle choice. He is far more familiar with Islam, and also respects it for its popularity and for what he sees as an unfair bias against it, particularly in the west. But "faith" to him is a vague concept, and nothing he has done has revealed a commitment to any religious (or unambiguously moral) principles whatsoever.

They can say it if they wish but they will not be elected only if the majority of the Electoral College votes against them. This nation was founded on Christian principals which have been carried forward for over 200 years.