Birth Pangs Of The Coming Great Depression | The Daily Sheeple

Posted by UncommonSense 9 years, 3 months ago to Economics
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Interesting things are adding up. But still, nobody really knows exactly when things will crash. This is For Your Situational Awareness (FYSA).


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  • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    :)... Robbie, 'hard science' uses distribution curves very often. Many events and measurements are not 'either-or'... :)

    Still, I've never heard of an ECONOMIST running a double-blind Controlled Experiment...

    Real folks like people in marketing do very often.
    :)
    Economists just seem to forecast futures based on past events that are never close enough to 'current conditions' to make the bases of the predictions viable.

    My favorite is the number of "economists" and financial gurus who have "predicted 25 of the last four recessions."

    Need more evidence than that?
    :)
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No oxymoron. A hard science would state that if you raise prices, for example, all people would stop buying. Economics as a social science says that if you raise prices some number of customers will stop (those who's marginal benefit is lower than the increased marginal cost). You cannot know which, since it is impossible to know those internal marginal benefits - heck, sometimes the people themselves don't know them, hence the proliferation of impulse items around the cash registers). But in the aggregate, discernible patterns can be established. There is much more variation, but it is definitely a science.
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  • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Social Science?
    Candidate for the Oxymoron of the Day for today?
    :)

    And, Rob... I enjoy the 'price of the day' for gasoline as much as I can, but I only drive about 6000 miles a year in my Prius, even counting five jaunts across the US, so at 400 miles per tank, the pendulum swing in the price of gas can swing full cycle or more as I burn off one tank!

    I essentially don't care about the price of gasoline. I'm just lucky that way at this point in my life. If I commuted 100 miles round trip to work each day, it probably would have more impact on me.

    But you're just supporting my comments about the cyclical nature of all nearly everything. You might try a subscription to Reason Magazine for their views on such issues, as well as their periodic summaries of recent events and their take on 'em... much like MarketMinder's reviews.

    Cheers!
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  • Posted by xthinker88 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well Jack intentionally does not put those barcodes on his books to make such a thing next to impossible. For example, you probably cannot buy a new copy of one of his books on Amazon.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not exactly true. Some librarians actually purchase from private publishers (usually when a patron requests a title) and then there's always those who donate them to the library.
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  • Posted by xthinker88 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You can only buy this book directly from the author. He does not sell it in any other way so you won't find it in a library.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A social science, not a hard science.

    The issue with capping wells and closing down fracking ops is that it takes a higher price to justify the start-up costs, so we end up paying higher prices overall than would be otherwise the case. Oh, well, I'm enjoying the current prices while they last (which doesn't seem to be for much longer - jumped 15 cents just in the past week).
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  • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Some more recent experiments appear to have demonstrated that the frog can and DOES jump out of the pot if he/she can. :)
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  • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And everyone seems to forget EVERY TIME that ALL of these swings are Cyclical! If frackers cap wells, the oil is still there, waiting for the next upswing in crude prices. The resources don't decay with age, y'know....

    Virtually all natural resource price swings work the same way. When gold prices drop, mines shut down until the prices firm up and then they're reopened until supply exceeds demand and the price of the shiny drops again... at which point they shutter the mines again.

    Or you can forget history. Ken Fisher points out that the LONG Term Gains from investments in Gold (or virtually any other precious metal) average less than that of the S&P 500.

    If you want to time any market, more power to you. I've hit a couple good ones with lucky timing (or skill, as I might prefer to call it) but over the long haul, you're better off not counting on that strategy for your retirement nest egg...

    Ah, shit... what do I know? I'm just an 'injunear', not an MBA or a Ph.D. in some flashy discipline like "investing" or "economics"... :)

    ps... "Economics is NOT a 'science'... they never get to run controlled experiments..."
    :)
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  • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Foreseeable Future Is An Oxymoron"....
    --- me.

    Depression? Hyperinflation?
    Follow the Money, Follow the Power, Follow the Control over Others...
    Do those two scary scenarios (scenaria?) follow logically from that? Who stands to lose in those kinds of future worlds? Crony Capitalists? They might have a vested interest in NOT letting that shit hit the fan... lucky for us, maybe?

    We shall see... but I still don't trust ANY of these Cassandras OR Wild-Eyed Optimists, especially if they're also selling subscriptions to their Advice Letters...
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  • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 3 months ago
    That was funny.... I checked MarketMinder for some history and was not disappointed, although their last mentions of the BDI was quite a few years ago... sample at http://www.marketminder.com/a/fisher-inv...

    I love predictions of "this [whatever] will continue linearly (or exponentially) forever and we're all doomed..."

    Want a good read? Buy/download/read any or all of Ken Fisher's books... and although I AM a client of his company, I do NOT get a toaster or any such reward if you partake of any of his services... except maybe if you cough up 0.5 Mil or more and become a client. In which case, I think they send me a Thank You letter... :)
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I forgot to mention that property tax angle. They'll just raise the tax sky high if your mortgage is paid off too... and then the kings men can just stop at every door regardless. Will be so easily accomplished after they take our guns. Busy day :)
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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    All good food for thought!

    Any investment that I make in gold would be less than around 10% of my holdings.

    What I really want is something that is Armageddon proof!

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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I strongly think the radio ads are wrong and gold should be a small fraction of your portfolio. Even if you're generally bearish, you can invest in funds of stocks of mature companies that pay dividends. I would normally say bonds, but I think rates are poised to rise, which will make bonds go down and usually make stocks go up.
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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    When I hear the gold ads, I always envision post WWI Germans; using wheelbarrows to get their paper money to the baker, for a loaf of bread. Or Waterworld, where the only currency was rare elements, like dirt!

    I just need to get motivated and do some research. Gold is low at the moment (according to the radio), and this would be the right time to invest.

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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "I do wake up every morning and tell myself that this is the day to turn some of that IRA into gold"
    What are you in now? I'm pretty sure there are ways to take short positions within an IRA. You absolutely can invest in precious metals and minerals funds.
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  • Posted by GMudd 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I dont have proof, but I have put my money on this several times over the past weeks and been correct every time. It definitely happened but the long term effect is something that still needs to be addressed.
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