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A New Physics Theory of Life

Posted by sdesapio 10 years, 3 months ago to Science
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  • Posted by woodlema 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Time to orbit sun - 365 days 6 hours 9 minutes 9 seconds" or 365.25635 days. Our Solar system has 9 planets that orbit the earth with the same precision.
    Even the Atomic clock which by the way was NOT an evolutionary item that just spontaneously created itself cannot match the precision of even our earth around the sun.
    Our Galaxy has billions of solar systems each with orbits and planets that orbits the exact same precision and there are billions of Galaxies with Billions of Solar system with billions of planets all orbiting with the exact same precision.
    Now we must look mathematically using the term mathematical impossibility. This is a “Scientific Term” and also scientifically accepted concept.
    Now there are many articles calculating the “odds” of life spontaneously erupting from a pool of slime. Here is one such article.
    http://www.inplainsite.org/html/mathemat...
    To shorten this a bit the calculated odds of life originating IF all the components exist and randomly come together at the right time in the right order over the right time is approximately 788x10^372 IF you take only half of the things that have to come together.
    Then let’s add a chaos of explosion pushing billions of galaxies and billions of solar systems all in perfectly precise orbital stations into the equation.

    Human Vision Is a Mathematical Impossibility April 28, 2014
    http://www.realclearscience.com/2014/04/...

    The Mathematical Impossibility Of Evolution by Henry Morris, Ph.D.
    http://www.icr.org/article/493/

    Using just math on those factors we “know” about takes the “odds” of this being a random explosion to realms far being mathematical impossibility by any stretch of the imagination.
    Then one must ask, Ok if this did all come about by an explosion what cause the explosion and matter in the first place since Science says matter/energy can neither be destroyed nor created only rearranged.

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/articl...
    So if energy which makes up matter can neither be created nor destroyed only altered, then this energy must have come from someplace. Perhaps “God”?
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    your argument is just taking jabs at the hypothesis and not providing any scientific rebuttal. that would be be more persuasive in my opinion
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  • Posted by dbhalling 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    J I am very interested in your thoughts about this. I had seen an earlier article about this, but this one explains it better. I have many other things to say/ask but let me organize my thoughts and then I will post.

    BTW I am aware of Schrodinger's thoughts on entropy and life. I was very happy to find it, but further research showed his ideas do not stand up and he was saying something a little different than I first thought.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 3 months ago
    "“You start with a random clump of atoms, and if you shine light on it for long enough, it should not be so surprising that you get a plant,” England said."

    I'm sorry, but that does not seem to be a logical consequence. If true, one would think that you could use a laser on a lump of coal (carbon) and create a living organism. Right.

    The first life had to spontaneously start. It might have come from some long exposure to light (but how long could it have been? No more than a single day, or even if in the polar regions, at most several months, but those areas while receiving long exposure receive weak exposure).
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  • Posted by hattrup 10 years, 3 months ago
    Thank-you for the post! It's great to see people actually trying to advance knowledge (frequently led to by theory) of the world around us using reason and observation of reality.
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    Posted by barwick11 10 years, 3 months ago
    Professing themselves to be wise, they became as fools.

    People will keep digging for ways to explain away God. Note, God with a capital G. The God of the Bible. They're all well and good with "god" like they want a god to be, invented in their own minds (the common phrase "I think god is _______").

    Listen, crystals organize themselves in a manner that is highly organized because that is the lowest state of energy for them to be in. That is the laws of the universe at work. Why do those laws exist? They had to come from somewhere. The intricacy of those laws and how they tie together is absolutely astounding.

    I actually make a suggestion to everyone on here (Christian or not). Take an evening and download a game. It's called Kerbal Space Program. Learn it, watch a few video tutorials on youtube, whatever. But get into it for a little bit. What that's going to do is let you see the laws of the universe on a micro scale, without getting into microscopic things that we dont' fully understand.

    You play the game for a little bit, and you start to realize that this universe is so highly ordered and governed by laws so intricate and precise that it is absolutely mind blowing. In the game, which is actually very very detailed and minute in its physics modeling, is actually a VAST simplification of how the universe operates. Let me explain:

    On one hand, you're up in space, and you begin to learn the basic laws of orbital physics, that if you do X, then Y is going to happen, every single time. If you do X 5 seconds later than you otherwise would however, Z will happen, which is a completely different output, and could, say, result in you crashing into the Mun, or floating endlessly into infinite space.

    As simplified (and yet detailed) as this is, it lets you see how structured this universe is, and (in my case at least) begin to appreciate the mind blowing intelligence required to design a universe like this.

    THEN, when you sit back and realize that, you can start to think about how intricate things are in space, and if X then Y every single time, you begin to realize that that same thing is true here on Earth, within an atmosphere, and with billions of other objects interacting within the system. But you can start to realize that, in fact, if we could accurately understand and model the interactions of all of those objects, we can be just as "in control" of what is happening here on Earth as we can in orbital mechanics.

    Now, like I said, this is simplification of how orbital mechanics work. It doesn't take into account a ton of other things that start to shake your brain into realizing how many other things play a part in this ridiculously complex universe.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's a nice try toward the elusive "Goo to You" pathway of "chemical evolution," another name for abiogenesis.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think that it's an interesting theory, but there is a HUGE jump from atoms to molecules to proteins to cell development and then a quantum leap to organs and tissues. I find the theory fascinating, but it is a very long stretch from this to humans.
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    Posted by woodlema 10 years, 3 months ago
    As much as people like to say being a Christian and being an Objectivist is contradictory I do not agree. This article reminds me of a joke, that to me proves a valid point.

    One day a group of scientists got together and decided that man had come a long way and no longer needed God. They picked one scientist to go and tell Him that they were done with Him. The scientist walked up to God and said, "God, we've decided that we no longer need you. We're to the point that we can clone people and do many miraculous things, so why don't you just go on and get lost."
    God listened patiently and kindly to the man and, after the scientist was done talking, God said, "Very well! How about this? Let's have a man-making contest."
    To which the man replied, "OK, great!"
    But God added, "Now we're going to do this just like I did back in the old days with Adam."
    The scientist said, "Sure, no problem" and bent down and grabbed himself a handful of dirt.
    God just looked at him and said, "No, no, no. You go get your own dirt!"

    If the scientists want to prove that life came by random, why don't they just generate explosions to create their experiment to prove how life came about.

    Oh yeah, SOMEONE had to start the explosion in the first place. The irony of their argument is in the argument itself.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 10 years, 3 months ago
    I cannot accept this.

    Why do we not see this kind of spontaneous generation in the wild today? That theory has no explanation for that and does not even treat it.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 3 months ago
    This is a remarkable find, Scott. It is exactly what dbhalling needs to improve the book that he is about to release.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 3 months ago
    Truly interesting, but I wonder what experiments can be devised to prove it. Thanks for posting.
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  • Posted by fivedollargold 10 years, 3 months ago
    Interesting interim process but ultimately proton decay is the final stage of entropy.
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