In 1983, Branden wrote that Rand was "absolutely and totally ignorant” about homosexuality. Branden added that he saw her perspective "as calamitous, as wrong, as reckless, as irresponsible, and as cruel, and as one which I know has hurt too many people who ... looked up to her and assumed that if she would make that strong a statement she must have awfully good reasons."[10]
And the reference: "Ayn Rand and Homosexuality" Paul Varnell, Chicago Free Press
I am not a "Bible Thumper", I do firmly believe in God and the Bible as his written word. God being the creator and the Bible in my view being the "owners manual for life", says this: Cor. 6:9-11: “Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men; will inherit God’s kingdom. And yet that is what some of you were..." Also this: Romans 1:26,27 That is why God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for both their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature; 27 and likewise even the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males,..." This in a "Chrisitan" scriptural sense indicates choice. Now was this a crime that "man's" government should be prosecuting. I think this is something that each person must decide for themselves and the ONLY proper individual to dole out any compassion or punishment would be God himself. In the biblical "Christian" congregation, nobody was stoned for being gay, but were expelled from the congregation until such time as they "chose" to stop practicing those behaviors, i.e. repent which means turn around from:, refer back to 1 Cor. 6:9 - 11.
Homosexuality could be caused by gender confusion because of a malfunctioning pituitary gland or it could be a perversion or sex addiction. I cannot condemn homosexuals but must have compassion for them. Militant homosexuals are a different story as they have no room for any other views. Turing is someone who may have needed compassion instead of condemnation.
I recall the Brits being offended by the fictional burning of people in a barn in The Patriot movie. That promoted me some time back to research the dude (not) responsible. Forgot his name; but in real life, Mel Gibson's character did not kill him. A great hand-to-hand choreographed fight, though! That Brit officer died some time after the Revolutionary War in England.
In my book on growing up on a farm in rural New England, "You're Probably from Holden, If...Growing Up in A Vanishing New England," I have a chapter on an art teacher in my high school, Mr. Bowes, who was blackmailed for his homosexuality. When I I first posted this story on the "Holden page" many responded that some things were best left unsaid. Eventually, I was barred from the page. My boyhood and young manhood were not without controversy!
If it is "Ok" to criticize "American Sniper" especially when the left does so not with criticism but with outright attacks, and derogatory slams, personal attacks and attempted character assasination, then there should be absolutely NO Issue making criticisms of "The Imitation Game." After all when did Homosexuals become some kind of protected all-virtuous species devoid of any flaws whereby it is considered heresy and blasphemy to say anything about them?
Branden actually did treat the subject of homosexuality, I believe in his lectures on psychology or on the psychology of romantic love, and characterized it as a self-esteem problem that resulted in failure to develop a masculine identity. Indeed, he has a theory to explain all the "perversions"--such as S&M. I brought this up with him years later and he seemed rather appalled that he had forgotten about it. At a meeting I attended he made a full, heart-felt apology for what he characterized as his earlier mistaken negative interpretation of homosexuality and said, almost in these words, "Go to it!" It was not a small meeting; others will recall this.
I say YES! i've been fairly critical of the Imitation game, mostly because I am well versed on that part of history, and have a huge affinity for turing and Bletchley! (i've been to BP twice, and LOVE it there!) I did a report on Turing for a Calculus class many years ago and I'm quite fond of Alan Turing.
While I enjoyed the movie, I felt very critical and very off put that a lot of the facts were very wrong and the realistic aspect of the movie was horrible! He would not be sitting in the police office telling the cop ALL he did during the war! I KNOW it's a dramatic representation, but still.... be truthful! Because now people, children will go through and think all that was true. Well, there were more than Turing involve and the machine was called Bombe.
I say it is OK to criticize "The Imitation Game." And maybe the Objectivist community needs to come to grips with something.
Rand never had any patience with homosexuality or bisexuality. Even Branden did not treat the subject. He admitted he knew not nearly enough about it to risk commenting on its etiology or its significance.
Your question, however, is incomplete. What kind of objections are you getting?
It is a well made dramatic film. Not a documentary. As far as entertainment value it is superb. The use of time and event compression are used for the benefit of the audience. Take it for what it is. If you want the truth do some research. Always works for me.
Dramatic license? I prefer fact over fiction when portraying real life events. Is the gay community mad or happy over this portrayal... and why are you losing Facebook friends? What are the O disagreements?
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In 1983, Branden wrote that Rand was "absolutely and totally ignorant” about homosexuality. Branden added that he saw her perspective "as calamitous, as wrong, as reckless, as irresponsible, and as cruel, and as one which I know has hurt too many people who ... looked up to her and assumed that if she would make that strong a statement she must have awfully good reasons."[10]
And the reference: "Ayn Rand and Homosexuality" Paul Varnell, Chicago Free Press
Cor. 6:9-11: “Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men; will inherit God’s kingdom. And yet that is what some of you were..."
Also this: Romans 1:26,27 That is why God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for both their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature; 27 and likewise even the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males,..."
This in a "Chrisitan" scriptural sense indicates choice.
Now was this a crime that "man's" government should be prosecuting. I think this is something that each person must decide for themselves and the ONLY proper individual to dole out any compassion or punishment would be God himself.
In the biblical "Christian" congregation, nobody was stoned for being gay, but were expelled from the congregation until such time as they "chose" to stop practicing those behaviors, i.e. repent which means turn around from:, refer back to 1 Cor. 6:9 - 11.
That promoted me some time back to research the dude (not) responsible.
Forgot his name; but in real life, Mel Gibson's character did not kill him. A great hand-to-hand choreographed fight, though!
That Brit officer died some time after the Revolutionary War in England.
While I enjoyed the movie, I felt very critical and very off put that a lot of the facts were very wrong and the realistic aspect of the movie was horrible! He would not be sitting in the police office telling the cop ALL he did during the war! I KNOW it's a dramatic representation, but still.... be truthful! Because now people, children will go through and think all that was true. Well, there were more than Turing involve and the machine was called Bombe.
anyways. I will stop ranting for no reason :)
Rand never had any patience with homosexuality or bisexuality. Even Branden did not treat the subject. He admitted he knew not nearly enough about it to risk commenting on its etiology or its significance.
Your question, however, is incomplete. What kind of objections are you getting?