I'm gettin the quotes in here today! Thanks.
Love the Judge, Palin is an excellent agitator, I think there are some strong governors. I am skeptical of choosing someone from the political class.
Thomas Sowell, Schweizer who wrote Throw Them All Out, Yaron Brook, Sheriff Joe-I can name him but not one military genius sticks out (hmmm). I like Paul. Ben Shapito over at Breitbart. I see teams. I have a harder time picking one out above the rest.

Yes, they are due to recent legislation. NDAA which makes America a battlefield to the recent Mansanto protection act that just got passed. And of course Obamacare.

Amen!

He's 88 now, but someone the people should have gotten behind was Lee Iacocca imho. Beck is a great historian and has passion, I don't know if he is actually looking towards leadership though. Peter Schiff could be our younger Lee Iacocca and has the background to be a good leader who understands the problems. Andrew Napolitano has a firm grasp of law and the Constitution. Rand Paul wants it as did his father, we can hope Rand will receive more support and is true to what he says. I believe Ron Paul truly feels what he says, it is hard to be certain his son feels the same way or just sees it as a way to power for its own sake. He is certainly more tempered than his father. Sheriff Joe Arapaio could possibly be a good one. Or maybe just Joe the plumber.

It is easier to judge a man before he makes a move to office. He is more free with his beliefs and stating them. This is why Obama's college papers were hidden I think. More often than not, once they start running they start to spout what they think people want to hear.

"Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them." Will Shakespeare

alas, I can only point you up once on this. excellent quote, OA

Locke is as prescient today as ever. The problem is that the government has been covert in its war; winning small battles by method of divide and conquer without assaulting the general public in mass. They have purchased the acquiescence of many through the welfare state while creating a de-facto war against the producers.

"Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations; but, on a candid examination of history, we shall find that turbulence, violence, and abuse of power, by the majority trampling on the rights of the minority, have produced factions and commotions, which, in republics, have, more frequently than any other cause, produced despotism. If we go over the whole history of ancient and modern republics, we shall find their destruction to have generally resulted from those causes."
James Madison, Speech at the Virginia Convention to ratify the Federal Constitution (1788-06-06)

I agree we need to have recognized leaders. The difference between the founding of the US and now, is the looming financial collapse. The question is, how many of the senators and reps who might be good leaders are also privy to central bank intel? Last time around, most of them took that information and got their own houses in order while ordinary citizens took all the brunt. Leaders? Cowards. Outside of those high in govt, who do you think shapes up as possible leaders?
I think Beck stylizes himself as a possibility.
I'd like a to see at least one of the leaders be a savvy investor. The likes of a Peter Sciff, for example.

I don't know if Lech was just a regular guy. I'm not familiar enough with how he rose to power in the trade union. I will say that if you are looking for a person who circumstances made into a hero in our country, that would have to be Joe the plumber.

Many who advocate an armed response point to our own Revolutionary war. They seem to ignore the fact that the First Continental Congress attempted to peacefully resolve their grievances with the Crown. Even in the first year after the 'shot heard around the world,' The Second Continental Congress sought to have their issues heard. Our leaders had already been in place 2 years before the Declaration of Independence was signed.

First you need leaders, second, you attempt to peacefully rectify the problems, and then third, if all else has failed you fight. If you try and skip directly to the second the most likely outcome will be failure due to unorganised efforts. If you do the first, skip the second and go straight to the third you will not have a lot of public support from people who would have sided with you otherwise. If you go directly to the third you will be viewed as little more than a Tim McVeigh.

There is an order that must be maintained. Even Castro exhausted legal means before moving to the third part.

In her book, I think Ayn Rand was asking more with the catchphrase of "Who is John Galt?" It was not only a rally cry in the book, but also meant to ask the reader, who is YOUR John Galt?

wow, stony. thank you for contributing.
I guess we're organizing in your front yard, then. :)

I think Lech was just a regular guy that circumstances made into a hero.
I think there are a few Congressmen. More importantly, there are Lechs all across the country. how about theguys staking their fortunes to make Ayn Rand movies?

The liberties of our country, the freedoms of our civil Constitution are worth defending at all hazards; it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors. They purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood. It will bring a mark of everlasting infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of designing men.

Samuel Adams

Those ideas are fine. Don't fight. We haven't fought the injustices of our government for decades. I think we are doing fine. A few more rights get taken away every few years. The poor are definitely feeling the pinch. All we really need is for our important people who run the country to disappear. That way the government can do what they do best. Tighten the noose. Rationing in breadlines, a nice curfew in which violation means getting shot down like a dog and my favorite, the complete enslavement of our people.

I know we are looking for answers and basing them off Ayn's great book, but why is the general answer always "let somebody die for us so we can reap the benefits"? Seems cowardly to me. We are in this mess because we gave our rights up in the first place. That long list of things our fou ders wrote our for our structure of governing weren't really just suggestions.

Is the government at war with us? Damn skippy. However. We aren't at war with them. Not all of us anyways. Not nearly enough rather. You wonder why states want out of this United States. Its because they want their rights back. Lets look at it from another point of view. Say Texas actually won its right to leave the United States. What does that mean? This country loses a gigantic portion of its military. The leader in US cattle is not there. A large portion of national agriculture is erased. A leader in oil and steel is gone. Why is this important? Instead of our "important" people leaving, we have actually exacted greater change by standing up and fightingback.

Are we at war? The american people? Yes. Some of us are fighting a doomed war. Why? Because we have more people waiting to see when China is going to call in the debt and generally disillusioned people (some who actually think philosophy from an admittedly awesome book is the magical answer to our problems when actually standing up to our government is(a right we are given according to the Constitution))

Yes we are being slaughtered by our government is my answer to this question. I will check back here after countless more rights and freedoms are robbed from us. After it really sinks in that this notion of digging in and having other people die fighting for them and then coming out to bask In the glory of other peoples struggles is not evenclose to how it's going to shake out.

Yes I do, Solidarity had Lech Walesa leading them, the leader of the first independent trade union and the Russians had Boris Yeltsin, a member of the Russian Supreme Soviet. Do we have a governor or congressman who is willing to stand for real change or just wanting to be in power to continue as they have so far?

it will start somewhere. You think it was the "important people" in Russia that caused its collapse or Poland?

ultimately, this is a battle about ideas. If you don't win the war of ideas, then no amount of military force or tactics can save the day.

And when that happens it will indeed be time to use force to resist. But until then, do you not think it is better to be prepared to resist if needed or to be Crispus Attucks, or Samuel Gray or James Caldwell? Most Jews didn't think things would go so wrong in Germany and most Americans cannot fathom how bad it can and probably will go here.

Some will hope to avoid the war like in The Patriot or Shenandoah and be pulled into the fight that way, others out of belief that they must. be on the front lines at the start. But why place yourself to be a martyr? Don't forget this quote, "I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor, dumb bastard die for his country."

This is why I say hunker down, let others riot and rebel. We need a revolution, not a rebellion. If you get yourself killed too early you won't be around when it could really matter.

davidkachel - this is right up your alley:
http://www.24hgold.com/english/news-gold...

It is an extremely long article. I recommend you just fast-forward to the text "The people no longer have elected representatives; they have elected traitors." You've just got to keep reading up to "We Defy You." Anything read after that is a bonus.

My 2C: The people that gave us our country eventually reached the point where they concluded they were living what Locke describes. His words are restated in the Declaration...when a long train of abuses...
They eventually sucked it up and said "If we're traitors, so be it."

We've been here before. We'll be there again. If only the supply lines of the king weren't so short this time.

I'm guessing you missed this line "They had somewhere to go while we do not, our only tie to those of like mind scattered across the land."

I wasn't talking about people who had removed themselves throughout history but in our current circumstance. Einstein in no way could be considered the normal man, and while instrumental in having the Manhattan Project started, was not a hands on participant. It should also be noted Einstein left Germany with threats and bounties already on his head. You are also talking about scientists who were Jews, fleeing more for their lives than against the Nazi government. Even with their leaving, Germany still came very close to their own bomb, had developed jet aircraft (luckily their leader wanted dive bombers and not fighters) and were miles ahead of anyone with rockets. Russia actually got the best scientists from Peenemunde after the war.

But overall, yes, I believe that if enough withdraw and especially if enough important people withdraw, the effect can be felt. But they are not at this moment doing so in great numbers or from the sectors which would have a huge impact. If they are, then yes, I have missed it.

WRONG. the best and brightest have removed their efforts from the govt in history. you have not studied or you've studied, just not given emphasis to those actions. you are a human, not a dog. Einstein made no impact by leaving Germany? 500 other scientists in history as well? easily rounded up and sent to concentration camps? you know the answer to this

....until they're hungry, nothing will change.