GOP Candidates Heat Up Vaccine Debate Alarming Health Experts

Posted by khalling 10 years, 3 months ago to Politics
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The article was interesting but also an attemp to divert readers from focusing on candidates' positions on the economy and limited govt. On this issue the broader point is limit govts size and control. If you can mandate vaccinations can you mandate retinal scans or other intrusions into an individual's privacy. Finally although they cite polls on the subject concluding anti vaccine crowds are bi -partisan -whenever I have seen protests in the media they are supported by high prfile progressives and Occupy WS types. I don 't want to see us get to the point where we have to show our shot records before we enter a public place either. There sure are alot more vaccines recommended now than when I was growing up.


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  • Posted by $ Abaco 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks. I'm just grateful that at the time my son became ill I was working in an office full of bio and chem PhDs. We teamed up to go over his hair, blood, etc. samples, determined what was wrong and went after it. It is an amazing story, yes.
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  • Posted by $ kddr22 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    yes Wakefiled studies were totally fabricated he has had to admit that and that her was on the payroll at the time of the trial assoc. And yes there are thousands of studies. Do not underestimate the effect of other diseases that mimic autism. This makes research much more difficult as it confuses etiology. And yes I do see pts that choose not to be immunuized and I have them sign a waiver. I am one of the few in my area that will still see them but it does not change to science. 2010 Lancet recants article Wakefiled has lost his med lisc which actually is not easy to do and had to admit that in court. ( american academy of pediatrics). Encephalitis is a usually a viral etiology that can be activate genes is they are there and programmed already most notable HSV EBV CMV etc. but the genes much be there otherwise you have a post viral prevasive dev disorder caused by direct damage to brain not autism
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So, my story about Thompson isn't true? Is that what you're saying? Or, the part about Gerberding going to Merck? "Thousands of studies"? Wow...

    Are you saying Dr. Andrew Wakefield admits he made up the patients? If not he, which doctor are you talking about? I've spoken to Dr. Wakefield in person. If he came out and said he made it all up that's certainly big news and I'm surprised I'm seeing it here first.

    What do you think has caused the increase in autism? Post traumatic stress can mimic autism? At age 1? Wow...Big wow! I have seen misdiagnosis. That is an issue. But PTSD? That's the first I've heard that. How would you explain the encephalitis that often comes with autism?

    You know...I've seen people get sucked into big, heated debates on this subject on internet forums and facebook. I think that's really a waste of time. But, it's clear why it happens. We have two camps that are claiming almost exact opposites. My knowledge came from a decade now of a lot of research and even some dumb luck of being in the right place at the right time - even being in the middle of some huge studies on autism at the premier research body on the subject. I regularly hear things from people who simply get basic facts REALLY wrong - I mean way, way off. It bothers me because we are at a crossroads now where government is about to force families to have their children fully vaccinated. Government-forced medical treatment...this is a very big deal. We, as a society, have to get it right. We have to know what we're talking about.
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  • Posted by $ kddr22 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not true or based on science, there have been thousands of studies that no find no link and the orginal study writer on mmr and autism is charged in England as he now admits he made up the patients. Autism is a horrible disease based on genetic factors and environmental influences do affect the genes in utero esp during the first trimester which is where most of the research currently is at.... There are also many cases of misdiagnosis that are diverting much research on actual cases. PTSD children and alcohol exposed children ( esp there in 3rd trimester) can mimic autism but much different causes. I have many of all 3 types in my practice and all are unique. There are at least 200 genes involved in autism. It is very complex
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's actually not true. The one study that the medical industry has been hanging it's hat on for over a decade regarding the MMR/autism has just been debunked by the guy who did it. When given per the CDC schedule the MMR resulted in a more than threefold increase in autism in black boys. This news came out with his confession in 2014 but the news media really avoided it. He is Dr. William Thompson, PhD and was, and still is, an employee in the CDC. The back-peddling and innuendo over this has been hilarious.

    Thompson wrote a memo to his supervisor at the time, Dr. Gerberding. She promptly removed him from a public speaking engagement on the subject (really, per his request). She has since left the CDC, taking a nice job at Merck to become their "Executive Vice President of Strategic Communications, Global Public Policy and Population Health". LOL..."strategic communications" - that's funny.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't trust anyone who thinks he has the right to force his opinions on everyone else.
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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He is also one of our most renowned physicians...I would tend to trust his opinions on matters involving our health.
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  • Posted by $ kddr22 10 years, 3 months ago
    After reading more comments it also intersting that in the name of science no peer reviewed reproduceable studies link autism to vaccines...
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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What a remarkable story.
    I'll risk offending some that visit here to tell you: 'God bless your family, and god speed your son's further recovery'.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's not "mine". But I am in it as well as my son. I have never watched it, for reasons I have trouble explaining. I also don't look at photos of my son when he was his most sick. I know I'm in the movie talking about ABA therapy and the crew borrowed footage from me of when my son was one year old. They came to our town to film him when he was 2.5 years old to show as an example of what scientific/proactive treatment can do for a child. As it turns out, they were filming a kid who's recovery is among the most impressive ever. They should film him now.

    Recovery is a relative term. Of course. You don't fry a bunch of neurons and starve portions of a brain from oxygen without permanent damage. And, that's what we are talking about here...damage and injury.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 3 months ago
    In the case of polio, (or another disease that kills many), when a vaccine is developed and proven to prevent polio in 90% of potential patients and is proven to have few side effects wouldn't almost all voluntarily take it? Is it not enough to provide all the facts and allow people free will with their health? What percentage of people will take the risk of a deadly disease (polio) in order to avoid a lesser long term risk (e.g., mercury.) Government has no constitutional power to force vaccination, but assisting in educating people on the risks could promote the general welfare while allowing individual free will.

    Could this be another case of effects on business interests and power seeking bureaucrats taking priority over individual rights? Is it so important for (arguably) fewer employees to take time away from their jobs due to flu that the entire population be subjected to (arguably) damaging mercury? Or is it more likely that bureaucrats don't like their "wisdom" being challenged by mere citizens, and pharmaceutical companies encourage such acts because wide use of vaccines is good for their bottom line?

    Shouldn't the action of government (not that any such action is constitutional) be better directed at encouraging an alternative delivery system that doesn't include mercury?
    Shouldn't free market providers also want to satisfy this demand ?
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  • Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 3 months ago
    They are talking about childhood diseases that are almost never life threatening. Individuals must keep the right to decide on these vaccines and treatments.
    However, I predict that issues like this one will be used by the insiders in the GOP to discredit any candidate that might interfere with the move toward more powerful central government (the hidden goal of the GOP.)
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes. My child became disabled immediately after receiving four vaccines in one day and my spouse had to quit working to take care of him. Most medical treatment for him has been out-of-pocket. We did do oxygen hyperbaric dives (80 of them) while in a study on autism and that, luckily, was not out of pocket. It worked, too.

    We learned what injured him, took a scientific approach to healing him and his recovery was one of the best ever documented. He and I were in a documentary called, "The Sunshine Boy" (out of Iceland) and I understand were on the big screen at Cannes Film Festival. We've come a long way. We know the truth on this. A lot of premises need to be checked. It is very possible that I am going to write a book on this story and this subject.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 10 years, 3 months ago
    Mark my words...this is going to get interesting for Objectivists.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Vaccines have cost my family about $500k so far over the past decade. Should reach about $1M over the next 8 years or so.
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  • Posted by $ kddr22 10 years, 3 months ago
    Not just from a health standpoint but from an ecomomic one vaccines save dollars over paying for disease. I think studies in the past suggested for every 1$ spend 5-10 $ saved depending on the disease
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  • Posted by etharris 10 years, 3 months ago
    I think your last sentence really just says it all. Say we as people do need to be vaccinated for certain virii, fine, but how much is enough before we're having to be encoded with our medical records (as you said)? I honestly don't know where I stand on this issue, I think some vaccines are necessary, but that we can do without a lot of the more recent ones. What I found hilarious, as did you, was that every article I saw spun this into a political issue either for or against vaccination as if it were a campaign platform item. All I could think was "how ridiculous".
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