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Mark Levin: Environmental movement is primitive. (Ayn Rand's "Return of the Primitive")

Posted by Eudaimonia 10 years, 5 months ago to Politics
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Mark Levin has been commenting lately about the Enviros being primitive.
This clip is the first time I believe he used that term.

In later shows, which I unfortunately can not find clips for, he gives attribution to the term "primitive" in this context to "the great writer Ayn Rand."

Ayn Rand mentioned in a Mark Levin rant?
That's great radio.


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  • Posted by ewv 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    One mention of Ayn Rand in this context is Jan. 26, 2015 at 1:27:32 - 1:28:11 in the podcast mp3 file.

    He gave a very rough description of the background of ANWAR in Alaska, which Obama wants to lock up from oil production (watch out for another National Monument presidential decree to bypass Congress, but he didn't discuss that). He emphasized the primitivist mindset of the viros but only in very general terms with no explanation, and said that the attacks on oil production at ANWAR are "ideologically driven, by the primitives. Ayn Rand's book, 'The Primitives'." Nothing else about Ayn Rand or the book in that show (the actual title of which is the "Return of the Primitive", originally "The New Left: The Anti-Industrial Revolution").
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  • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 5 months ago
    this amalgamation of climate change BS has us
    jumping around like the natives in "Medicine Man"
    and that is sure primitive! . the political drive for
    power has these crazies drunk beyond belief. -- j

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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not recently, but still too many for a forum about accepting reality as it is rather than what we wish it were.
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  • Posted by $ puzzlelady 10 years, 5 months ago
    Never having heard of Mark Levin, I went and listened to several of his diatribes. A bombastic polemicist on a political crusade, seeking to overwhelm listeners' reason with emotion, is always suspect, even when the energy in his tirades is impressive and he drags in a wealth of cherry-picked data that one might even want to agree with. He is a one-man meme factory.

    As for the environmentalists, notwithstanding my admiration for human ingenuity and technology, there is room for caution when humans affect their life support system on a scale that at first only our canaries in the coalmine notice, so of course we disdain and disbelieve them. Remember thalidomide? Sometimes we do do stupid and harmful things without meaning to. Caution is prudent.

    As for global warming or climate change, the planet has done so for millions of years and will continue to do so. I for one welcome warming, to make more areas habitable. Just be alert for points of no return, such as compromising potable water, breathable air and the biodiversity needed for long-term food supply.

    Befouling our nest is reckless. I look forward to when a balanced cycling system will be developed between our waste and our production, a global symbiosis. Earthworms and bacteria are vastly underappreciated for their part in the circle of life. Too bad we can't wait for what would emerge eventually if nature were left to her own devices. We are here now. It's up to us to engineer the balance.

    As for "primitive", it is an instinctive response to perceived danger, like a cat too far out on a limb needing to retrace to an earlier, safer position. It is a childish desire to return to a carefree state, the supposedly idyllic paradise that nature supplied without human intervention and human responsibility.Too late, kids. We've come this far; we'll have to think our way forward from here. That's what our reasoning and inventive brains are for. Still, I don't write off our canaries--they are the early-warning system of possible impending disaster. Too bad the majority of people don't act until things get bad enough, and then their responses may be ill-considered.

    Now if only these environmentalists were as concerned for the cultural climate changes--the dysfunctional belief systems that infect so many people running our world, leading to endless wars and destruction. That's where activism should shine. Barbarism and war mentalities are the true primitives.
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  • Posted by mdant 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think AS is very much a part of an ideological struggle itself, just not the conventional one. If it was not it would not have the followers it does on this site talking about all the problems in this Country. I think we have all come to understand that the leaders of the two main parties are part of a system that serves itself, but that does not mean the ideological struggle(which they highjack for their purposes) is not a worthy goal.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "GW believer's"
    Believers implies a position that doesn't rest on evidence, such as a belief in people's right to their own life. Anthropogenic global warming is a scientific claim that should be *accepted* (not believed) on the weight of the evidence. A scientific-minded person welcomes new evidence.
    "GW believer's are most certainly against technology."
    This does not ring at all true to me, but I haven't seen any surveys. I would expect people who accept scientific findings would also be for technology, which is applied science.
    "In fact-Germany was so influenced by these anti-thinking groups, they agreed to shut down 8 nuclear plants over the last several years"
    This is a bad decision since we know fossil fuels are finite, some of them cause local pollution, and there's strong evidence all of them are affecting the climate in a costly way. I think people are afraid of nuclear because they know it can be dangerous but they don't know the details, so it seems like unlimited danger.
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "that's why you're in here? "
    About four years ago I found AS and Fountainhead. They not only condemn the empty calories of an ideological struggle but give insight into why people get sucked into the notion and how the group-identity part of it sucks the life out of people.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, I'm rejecting the use of fallacious arguments to present the message. I agree with most of Levin's (and Limbaugh's) opinions, but the fallacies do get noticed and called out by the other side.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Rush again does not align perfectly with our views but they are close enough that we are all like brothers."
    Wow. I've heard Limbaugh, and he's no where near my views. I find liberal commentators, who I'm more likely to agree with, equally tiresome.

    I can sort of enjoy a few minutes of the empty calories of listening to someone paint the world as an ideological struggle, in which I'm one of the good guys and most of my problems are somebody else's fault. I obviously know that's not true, so I can only enjoy it if it comes with humor.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "You keep using that word,"
    I almost never use that word. Can you find a prior case of my using it? I probably say "inconceivable" more often than "moron".
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  • Posted by ewv 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There was no such logical fallacy in his statements. Denouncing the character of viros who live high off the hog while they promote an anti-industrial revolution is not a logical fallacy. The use of the fallacy would require using the hypocrisy as if it refutes their agenda. He did not argue that. We already know that de-industrialization is wrong. The viros' seeming hypocrisy only illustrates their totalitarian mindset to live in luxury at the expense of everyone else, which is another central characteristic of the viros. There are many ugly features of that movement worth describing and denouncing and that is what he was doing. It isn't a logical fallacy.
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  • Posted by mdant 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Agree 100% and I think most scientist would agree if they could take their personal and political feelings out of the game.
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  • Posted by mdant 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Are you not expressing something like the tu quoque fallacy yourselves? Sounds like he and/or his opinions are being dismissed because you do not like the way he is expressing himself. I think it is not so much a fallacy with him as it is simply that he is pissed off and angry at those people he is talking about he is expressing against not only their argument, but them personally as well. And I cant feel sorry for them because they really do deserve it. Anyway, he is not my favorite radio personality for several reasons and I only listen to him occasionally, but I still think he is doing good work. Different approaches appeal to different people. I do not really care what the approach is if it is roughly aligned with the direction I am going. Oh, and by the way...Rush again does not align perfectly with our views but they are close enough that we are all like brothers.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I listened to him for most of the presentation, but when he went from environmentalism to education to leftist totalitarianism without pausing for breath I came back to this list. To me, he is using the same tactics that the EPA and other liberal groups use, and which I dislike: he applies a label (primitive) and then describes what he thinks the other guys should want (washing clothes in river).

    I wish he had done a technically better job (but then, he would loose his audience, wouldn't he?) of quoting the environmentalists on what they say they want and then refuting that. I do agree with his basic thesis, but I think that the tools he uses to support it are the same ones that make me disregard arguments from the Left.

    Jan
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  • Posted by peterchunt 10 years, 5 months ago
    You know that the truth has been forgotten when the politicians take over.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's not just delivery style. CircuitGuy is right about the tu quoque fallacy. Arguing that way makes our whole side look like we're the primitives. Levin, like Rush Limbaugh, is entertaining but he's the kind of spokesman we don't want and should not support.
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