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Perhaps bacon lack is one of the causes of the anger emanating from the middle east for the last 1300 years.

We are seeing history play out before our eyes. The Muslims are taking over Europe like they took over North Africa. North Africa was, at one time before Islam, almost 100% Christian. Piece by piece they get into positions power and then exclude non-Muslims. The non-Muslims are forced to convert to Islam or suffer a live beheading.

Man, someone who gets it... I've been saying this forever, every time I hear someone say "corrupted version of Islam"...

No, THESE MURDERERS are *fundamentalist* Muslims. They are following Islam to the letter.

Those Muslims who don't follow it to the letter, or don't support that, are liberal Muslims. I'm thankful that they're out there, but frankly, their presence doesn't change the fact that the fundamentalist Muslims are still out there.

Ban all Muslims from travel and destroy all mosques.

Islam is a nation with the mission of imposing Sharia law on the entire world. It should be declared a state political war machine and banned from the world. Muslims continue committing crimes against humanity. They are destroying civilization.
The west has planes, rockets and drones. No need to put our troops on the ground in foreign countries. Why not arm the non-Muslim people who are willing to fight in their countries against the Islamic plague? Ban all Muslims from travel and destroy all mosques.

Well done! And NONE of the koran (I never capitalize it...I like the insult...I will never submit) verses you cite are the abrogated ones! You deserve a beer.

I knew when I read the line you mention from the Holy Bible that it was Old Testament. And I was correct: 1 Samuel 15:3.

Whenever the discussion of islam becomes uncomfortable or embarrassing for the muzzy, or Dhymmi, the conversation ALWAYS turns back onto Christianity and the perversion of the middle Christian church (circa 800-1600 AD) and the Crusades, Inquisition, witch trials, etc.

I could go into some deep Christian-oriented discussion to combat & put down the often used & abused points made by everyone concerning those periods, but this overall post is NOT about Christianity. It's about islam and therefore, I was stick with the subject at hand. No matter how uncomfortable it may be for some folks.

However, I will point out that your cherry pick of the line about killing everyone from 1 Samuel was from the OLD TESTAMENT. Have you read the New Testament? Technically speaking, the Old Testament really isn't Christianity, it's JEWISH. And outside of the 10 Commandments (which still remain valid to this day), the New Testament is the final word from God. Can you explain what was going on in 1 Samuel chapter 15? Who gave the command to kill? Why? Who was to do the killing? Fire up a different post & we'll verbally, mentally & spiritually combat this to come to a greater understanding. Afterwards, we can discuss the New Testament & how those corruptible SOB's who were in charge of the middle church Christian years were in direct violation of what Jesus Christ taught in the New Testament, and how they themselves were in fact heresies.

Very good point. I totally agree.

I have seen, on Fox news, interview guests state the reason moderate Muslims do not stand up and call down the militants is this; they want the same thing! They want world domination and sharia law. One group is peacefully breeding a population to vote their way in, the other willing to die for it.

I have said Obama is one of them. Look at the Muslims that have been allowed to take leadership roles in all of our government. We could not decide to fight back without the enemy being forewarned. This could not happen with a President making American decisions...he is making world view decisions.

Yes. It is what it is. Head in the sand won't work.
Brave new world.

IMO, Christians are freed from Old Testament law.
For example, I, being a Christian, currently have bacon, ham and one leftover pork chop in my fridge.
I don't have to have pork. I just happen to like pork.

True as far as it goes, but it doesn't imply that Islam can't be reformed.

Christianity was equally bloodthirsty for a thousand years or so, ending about 1800 -- forced conversions, inquisitions, heresy trials, witch burnings, death by stoning for apostasy, and slavery. They outgrew all these things, even though the Mosaic laws in the book of Exodus still support them.

That's funny, I wasn't aware that they still owned Spain and most of the Balkans. ;-)

Islam is a doctrine to control people. You do not have to compare it to other religions. It should rather be compared to other ideologies.

Islam is a doctrine to control people. You do not have to compare it to other religions. It should rather be compared to other ideologies.

To the best of my knowledge, this article is not accurate. For example, when the Muslims were in control of Sicily - for hundreds of years - they instituted a Jizya system that allowed for the co-existence of Jews, Christians and Muslims in a stable society. The Muslims were predominate there for three centuries: they introduced reforms that encouraged capitalism and small business, built baths, and were the go-to place for persecuted religious minorities. The Muslim writers/philosophers Avicenna and Khayyam (yes, Omar - philosopher and mathematician as well as poet) produced works as the leading Muslim philosophers of their day which were concerned with purifying the inner spirit - not chopping the heads off unbelievers. There is a certain agnostic feel to their works. And these were the leading philosophers - teaching at schools, supported by the emir, etc. So it is not factually true that when Islam is the predominant religion it has always been restrictive. That is just not historically accurate.

Christianity also has its lamentable side: "...kill them all, man and woman, infant and suckling,... " And in the crusade against its own heretics, Christians killed about 20K Cathars in Southern France.

One of the prior threads on this site dealt with the fact that all religions are filtered by the opinion of the people of their current society. This is what I think is happening with modern Islam.

As for Muslim enclaves...I have no trouble with a bunch of people of one religion, Amish, Mormons, or Muslims, deciding to live in towns together. BUT they all come under the rubric of the Constitution of the US. Law - Not Sharia law - takes precedence. It is not a question of whether they are 'good' or 'bad'. We live as a country under the Constitution; if they live within our borders, they live under the Constitution too.

Jan

And supported by writings of Thomas Jefferson:

"Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of a day; but a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers, too plainly prove a deliberate, systematic plan of reducing [a people] to slavery."

"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God."

"If ever there was a holy war, it was that which saved our liberties and gave us independence."

"The oppressed should rebel, and they will continue to rebel and raise disturbance until their civil rights are fully restored to them and all partial distinctions, exclusions and incapacitations are removed."

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"

That 'medicine' is found in the second amendment.

I had several small scabs on my forehead that never seemed to heal. My primary care physician at the VA said they were pre-cancerous scabs caused either by the sun or even possible exposure to Agent Orange. I got some cream that I applied for ten days, then soon they turned red and ugly, dried up, and just fell off. My new skin is smooth and baby soft. I was wondering if there was some other product like this cream that could be applied to those areas of the country that have been overtaken, those areas that don't meet the definition under our constitution and laws. Sharia is not the law of this land, period. We can not let it grow here. Where are our representatives on this issue? Obviously we need a few new laws to prevent the spread, and then we need to act.. This earth has no place left to hide anymore.