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Objectivism In Under Two Minutes

Posted by khalling 9 years, 4 months ago to Philosophy
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As I said, not specifically doctrinal, nor biblical, but it certainly sums up the essence, at least for me.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    God helps those who help themselves is not biblical. It was coined by Benjamin Franklin.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Blind Faith" as you put it is naïve and a misunderstanding of Catholicism, if not all factions of Christianity. Although not specific doctrine, it can best be summed up by the statement that "God helps those that help themselves." Seriously, I think that you folks have more misunderstanding of religion as you think that I do of O.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But we don't have an 'O type society' in the US today, we have a statist/socialist society and a government by dictate today with tyrannical police state growing by leaps and bounds since 2000.

    How is any of that comparable to an 'O type society'?
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Does one have to "submit to higher authority?" I haven't. I have free will and do as I choose that is in my own best interests.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And once again, when I bring up a point that you can't refute, you simply stop the conversation.

    I repeat:
    Hitler prevailed for more than 6 million Jews and several million Gypsies, Homosexuals, handicapped, etc. That was a cruel reality for them.

    You seem to think that since they didn't last "forever" that they somehow don't seem to count. These "Attilas" are very real.

    How do you account for the "enlightened" US populace which is seemingly placing itself back under a tyrant, enslaving itself to a government? This has nothing to do with religion, in fact, it is partially due to a lack of religion, in my estimation. BO is not using a religious argument to push altruism, quite the contrary, he's using selfishness and class envy, very much anti-Christian themes (as well as most other major religions).
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Both are based on submission to a higher authority. I haven't granted authority to either one.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Blind faith plays a huge role in what is occurring today. Blind faith in government for one, blind faith in religion for another (just pray.... it must be God's will...it says this in the bible so it's just meant to be), and I have actually HAD that conversation with a co worker.. "well...this is all predicted in the bible and now it's happening"... THAT is NOT a solution to 'what is occurring today". So, yes, religion can, and does play a role in the complacency that allows these things to continue and grow.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It does not account for the fundamental failing of humans. It demonstrates itself repeatedly time after time over the centuries. Some (many!) humans seem OK with subjugating themselves to others. They may claim to be dissatisfied with the situation, but rarely do they rise up and throw off the shackles, even though they would seem to have the ability to do so.

    If it is merely "enlightenment" that is needed to achieve this O type society, what accounts for the US today? It is certainly not religion that is causing what is occurring today.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hitler prevailed for more than 6 million Jews and several million Gypsies, Homosexuals, handicapped, etc. That was a cruel reality for them.

    You seem to think that since they didn't last "forever" that they somehow don't seem to count. These "Attilas" are very real.

    How do you account for the "enlightened" US populace which is seemingly placing itself back under a tyrant, enslaving itself to a government? This has nothing to do with religion, in fact, it is partially due to a lack of religion, in my estimation. BO is not using a religious argument to push altruism, quite the contrary, he's using selfishness and class envy, very much anti-Christian themes (as well as most other major religions).
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Objectivism accounts for Attila and his ilk very well by explaining what humans without education in or living outside of an Objectivist society are capable of and as well what those that count on their religion and good will by all humanity for protection get. Had Attila or his victims been raised in an objectivist society in which the individual and his natural human rights were respected and honored instead of how much could be stolen--a different world.

    Remember that Objectivism was only published through AS starting in 1957 with scholarly writings following, yet Christianity had been there for 2000 years, without much success against WWI, Hitler, Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Idi Amin, Pol Pot to name just a few. And now we're dealing once again with another religiously driven murderous ideology, Islam.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 9 years, 4 months ago
    Thanks for posting this video. That was the easiest way for any one to understand Ayn Rands philosophy.
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  • Posted by conscious1978 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's juvenile, teenager behavior. Your description, above, would be the same of a Troll that had not been on the site as long. Maybe, enough layers of his camouflage have finally been removed that his unfiltered disgust of Objectivism is showing more often.

    His posts are like listening to a broken record with deep scratches which turn what might have been a tune with potential into an interrupted and disconnected annoyance. He is unwilling, or unable, to stay on point, frequently shifting focus to some tangential red herring, and often taking cheap shots at people trying to learn more about Objectivism or Ayn Rand.

    Maybe he thinks he is some avenging 'angel' for his beliefs, or something else; I don't know. But I don't see someone interested in the ideas of Objectivism or the novels of Ayn Rand. He can pay a la carte lip service to the movies all he wants, but his posts indicate that he isn't interested in the ideas that gave rise to them.

    His favorite conundrums show a lack of understanding of the fundamentals that explain the nature and primacy of existence. So, he shouldn't be surprised, if he stays, to be ignored, or have his flawed chains of thought dismantled.

    As you said...it speaks volumes...are there contradictions...?
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    if Atilla prevailed, Hitler would be in charge now, or Stalin or Mao or Rachel Carson...Objectivism is based on reality.
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    Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm not here to be useful to you. I'm here to be useful to me. If others derive some benefit, good for them. I've tried to bring enlightenment, but I cannot make those see who will not open their eyes.
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    Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Then how does it account for how Attila continually prevails? And is again prevailing? No, O does not account for the fundamental "failing" of humanity.
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am not going back over all the posts and present a case. It's obvious. You have had plenty of pushback. yet, you refuse to read some more so we can have an intelligent conversation. it's exhausting to start at square one with you. You're smart, go read some more and then make outlined arguments against the metaphysics. let's just stay in that realm. you have mis-stated many things about simply A is A. I'm annoyed now, so I'm not responding to you on this subject anymore tonight. be useful to me
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    more than any other philosophy in our history, Objectivism accounts for human behavior. robbie, this is sad
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    Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What do I mis-state? Please cite specific examples.

    You are likely to state "rational selfishness." That "theory" says that no person should exert their will over another, because it would then cause their own liberty to be at risk. I say that is idiocy and has been disproven by thousands of years of history.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A philosophy that does not account for the reality of human behavior is nothing more than a theory.
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