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  • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 3 months ago
    This reminds me of something...not meaning to hijack this thread. This is an incredible story. I'm glad it was shared here.

    When I was 18 I was rushed into a hospital from my college dorm because my appendix had burst. A little after midnight I was rolled into the surgery room. Only, the anesthesiologist didn’t put me to sleep. He just paralyzed me. As they intibated me I realized that they thought I was unconscious, but I was wide awake. It was a horrifying experience. I don’t remember the operation, but they said that as they closed me up (this was before the days of scoping for this) my hands came up and started pulling the tube out of my throat (no memory of that, either). I spent some time in ICU as my breathing would occasionally stop. To be aware in a useless body is beyond words…

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    • Posted by mdk2608 9 years, 3 months ago
      That experience must have been pure hell. A friend of mine had something like this happen at a time when they used electo-shock therapy for depression. The lady was motionless effectively paralyzed buy could feel all the electricity going through her body. I was reminded that this was something the Nazi's would have loved.
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  • Posted by Turfprint 9 years, 3 months ago
    There are photos of him in his past condition over the years on the web, so I actually believe this incredible story. Could others in a catatonic state be in the same state of awareness? That’s right out of a Vincent Price horror movie. Makes one reevaluate the life support disconnect scenario but I’m not sure pro or con.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 9 years, 3 months ago
    People need to remember that he was in a "vegetative" state and not "brain dead". These are totally different states and one that some have trouble coming to grips over.

    Like the 12 year old girl, who was declared brain dead, following a tonsillectomy, I believe. Her parents refused to give up, even though there was NO way she was ever going to come back.

    As long as this man's body was properly functioning, without the need for life support, I believe his parent's choice to continue to care for him was the right choice (for them). Unfortunately, the story will probably get turned into a lesson of "hope" for any number of hopeless cases out there. Then, only the medical community will benefit.
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    • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 3 months ago
      If it is at the cost of the parents, then there should not be any outside interference. The concern is when other parties are paying for the care. It is not an easy situation.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 3 months ago
    My father-in-law died of ALS. It's pretty much the same. He was trapped in a non-functioning body while still conscious. I imagined I saw his eyes plead for death as his body deteriorated into a skeletal shell, and had only machines keeping his heart and breathing going. My mother-in-law stayed with him night and day until she was ready to collapse. She was finally convinced to go home and rest. When she did, he died. I think the nurses at the Hospice took pity on him and turned him off.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 3 months ago
    I was just thinking of Terri Schindler Schiavo.

    I am convinced she was murdered.
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    • Posted by LetsShrug 9 years, 3 months ago
      What? Well, if that's the case then I demand someone murder me if I'm in that condition. How do you equate that to murder... ten years of feeding tubes and shriveling. KILL ME!! Have some mercy.
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      • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 3 months ago
        How do you think she got into that state?

        Because he strangled her.

        And the nursing staff heard him to complain, "When is she gonna die? When is that [female dog] gonna die?"
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    • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 3 months ago
      Write your DNR clause carefully. Mine says No Cerebral Electrical Activity ==> Pull the Plug.

      While the mainscream press portrayed Terry Schiavo as a Sleeping Beauty resting on a bed of roses, other reports claimed that the reality was far from that.

      What is or was your 'take' on the Schiavo situation?

      If you believe she did NOT have any cerebral activity, we need to discuss the definition (or your definition) of "murder." If you believe that she DID demonstrate cerebral activity, we'd need to have some good proof of that, too, before making a worthwhile discussion of this.
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      • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 3 months ago
        I had the impression no one even checked that. I believe a trial of hyperbaric oxygen would have been appropriate.

        I also believe Michael Schiavo put her in that state to begin with.

        I remind you the nursing staff often heard him to complain, "When is that [female dog] gonna die?"

        And that he had a mistress--Judi Centonze--waiting to step up to the judge with him the minute he had a death certificate in hand.
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        • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 3 months ago
          I believe that the originating event was a massive heart attack that resulted in loss of oxygen to the brain. Had they not been able to get her heart to start beating again, it would not have even been an issue. The fact that the beating of the heart is controlled by the autonomic nervous system, which does not equate to cognitive functioning, is the problem. Her body "lived" but her brain had no function.

          As to his demeanor to the situation after it occurred, what does that have to do with anything? While I couldn't imagine getting that frustrated myself to utter such about a loved one, I can empathize with someone who was.
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          • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 3 months ago
            The woman's family gave a history of bitter quarrelling in that marriage, and infidelity by him. He never contradicted those accounts. His handling of the situation gave the impression he sought to kill her for her money and the freedom to marry Jodi Centonze.

            The conduct and ideology of the Hemlock Society, who urge suicide on everyone, didn't help.
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            • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 3 months ago
              Unless you can demonstrate that her heart attack was caused by the husband, the rest is all moot.

              And if you can, then a charge of murder should be brought.
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        • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 3 months ago
          Temlakos... after some years of being 'married' to a ... pardon the expression... vegetable, even a rather normal human might crave some higher level of companionship.

          Even my wonderful wife and I are in agreement on 'when to pull the plug' on each other, and Terry's condition would have met the tests long before the media let go of her. Some miracles, so to speak, don't happen no matter HOW many people wait or pray for 'em...

          In my Never-so-humble Opinion.
          :)
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          • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 3 months ago
            I don't quarrel with your particular decisions. I assume you have mutual durable powers of attorney, "living wills," Advance Medical Directives, and so on. If you don't, you're on the same page, so you should find that easy to work out.

            But Michael Schiavo had a reputation for being abusive. The Schindler family never trusted him.

            Play the percentages, as any detective will tell you.
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