It seems like the Tea Party and OWS started organic protest movements, people standing up to petition the gov't to change things they didn't like. Political parties and interest groups like the free-Palestine one are eager to move in co-opt them.

I can't tell whether the protest against rightwing commentary outlets is organic, but I disagree with it in any case. People can see Fox News and the New York Post for what they are. We don't need to shut down opinions. Even if we want to because the Internet makes publishing ideas cheap, and that's a good thing. Let people pretend like FoxNews is somehow related to real news if they so desire. Enough people want factual apolitical reporting; the market will provide it.

well, what sort of tactics would Ragnar use when
seeking to take a cargo without bloodshed?
I would think that he might include false-flag
as a legitimate ploy. . something like the secret
service checking out a venue in advance -- they
would need a few ordinary Janes and Joes to
schmooze with the staff to get the truth. -- j

O'Reilly is such a nanny-statist I find it embarrassing to have him purporting to speak for the Right. He must think he's still a grade school teacher. Everyone who argues with him is (in his mind) a child to be shouted down if not spanked.

The usual name for it is a false-flag operation -- and it'll be a sad thing if we're reduced to having to do it just because the enemy does it.

It will also likely be much harder for us to get away with than for them, because no one owns the name "Tea Party". We can't tell real members from impostors until we elect them and watch them fail to cut spending. But the DemonRats' "demonstrations" are always at least scripted, and usually rehearsed by groups like the Ruckus Society when they don't consist entirely of paid shills like the SEIU. So when some of ours start infiltrating *their* demonstrations, I expect them to have some form of security force that catches on quickly and escorts the impostors out before the news cameras can see them.

well, Mimi, we could also call it diversion -- like
the current admin using quantitative easing to make
the Dow go up, while increasing taxes and running
up a monster debt using smoke and mirrors, on the
other hand. . or "pardoning" Cuba to take our
attention off a host of other scandals.

they are very good at it. -- j

p.s. there was an NSA document dump on
Christmas Eve, I hear, which is damning to
the admin -- though heavily redacted (censored).
another good example of strategic thinking.

yes, Mimi, we all have consciences ... here in the Gulch ...
but when the opposition does not have a conscience,
"what's a mother to do?"

that is why I suggested that vigilance for their a-moral
behavior is required. . we generally do not think
like that, and then fail to anticipate others thinking
like that. . know what I mean??? -- j

It’s a publicity stunt, Jan, with the goal of minimizing the impact of propaganda.
The trick is to change the dynamics. "They came to protest the news station, but then this happened instead.” That’s the goal: confusion. The goal is not to directly take on protestors, but to minimize their impact by giving the audience something else to focus on.
I was suggesting being pro-active about it, but I wouldn’t call what I suggested counter-propaganda. Usually, counter propaganda is based in truth not gimmicks. Counter-propaganda is what FOX will have to resort to if they do nothing.

Mimi and John -

The only thing I can think of is to be read with signs that say, "Troll!" and have a swivel pointer arrow. Then perhaps surround and mock would work...but you would have to work fast or there will be staged shots as soon as the defaming sign(s) appear.

I gather that 'troll' is the only term. I was hoping that there was another word - one that implied the subterfuge involved.

Sorry about reminding you of your sense of ethics - It was an accident. Really. What was I thinking?!

Jan

I don’t know. It’s a lot like kabuki theater.
What I see happening is the real trolling, a ‘movement’ is being fostered and fledged-out by many groups working in tandem: everyone from Al Sharpton to defunct occupy-wall-street protestors to marxist youth groups to vintage black militia. This is snow-balling.
I am all for stepping on toes and squashing the momentum, because I am not in a big hurry to find out what exactly their long-term aims are.

But from a moral stance, I don’t agree with my suggestion to fight back with planted diversions.(Darn you for reminding me I have morals!)
It’s just wishful thinking on my part to want to stop this --whatever this is with planted Santas.

excellent point. . if the tea party group immediately
encircled the liberal with the sign, all pointing and
frowning, there might be hope. . this is dangerous
territory, but the right needs to learn to navigate
here because the left lives in a sea of treachery
when they do strategic thinking. -- j

p.s. I guess that this sounds like "dropping to their level"
just because they did. . one thing for sure::: we must be
more vigilant about things like this. . term? . sneak attack?

Well, nowadays, it is surrounded with a high security fence around the whole property and there is a guard check-point entrance.

I have read this from other sources too. It has been going on forever and will not end in freedom.

Uh...but...would you call it that if a liberal showed up at a tea party, pretending to be a member thereof, with a sign that said, "Let's shoot all the nigger children!"?

I am not very good at contemporary culture, John, so my question was genuine - I do not know if there is a cant term for this type of behavior.

Jan

I would call it veiled justice -- like an attractive
woman wearing a video camera and carrying a weapon,
to document and control a situation designed to
take advantage of her. -- j

If a media organization even approaches the truth it seems to scare the pants off Progressives.

after I found his show, I watched them all -- very
informative and also maddening. . he traced the
progressive movement back to Teddy R. . they have
been working this theme for over 100 years and
know how to do it. . like wearing down a mountain,
one stone at a time . . . .but much faster with BHO. -- j

Mimi - Is there an official name for this sort of trolling?

Jan

Sean has already said g'bye to NYC, and will
probably go to FL rather than TX with Glenn Beck;;;
he could have reiterated that on camera! -- j

oh -- been there, too;;; passed a classification test
there. . not as well guarded, back then -- just an
armed guard in the lobby entrance. -- j

I was watching Glenn Beck when he was on Fox News during the afternoon and was doing one show devoted to George Soros.
As the show ended, Beck picked up a tall stack of folders and began to read the names of Soros-funded left-wing organizations.
Each time he read a name, he dropped that folder on the floor.
Each folder dropped touched or almost touched the other.
It became an unforgettable OMG! moment as Beck left a long trail across the stage floor all the way to a distant door where he waved bye-bye. .

I just read an article by Ayn Rand in her Objectivist Newsletter published Sept 1963 titled RACISM. It is quite lengthy but to the point that racism was very much in decline when Capitalism was growing. Now that altruism and socialism are growing racism is growing. That is what the protesters are promoting.

You want to know what was really wrong with AS3?

That Sean Hannity didn't suddenly up and disappear right in front of millions of people, and show up as the regular newscaster in the valley. "I quit, Miss Taggart, after they told me once too often what they would or would not let me say."

No, this building is in Germantown, Md.

I visited there -- the Forrestal building in DC -- back
in the 90s, on a business trip. . security was a big deal
then, and probably more-so, now. . whatta story! -- j

BTW. If Gulchers were a big enough group, guess who the progressives would target?