Court takes couple’s children because father is transgender

Posted by Maphesdus 12 years, 7 months ago to Politics
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Apparently a man isn't fit to be a father if he was born female... -_-

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  • Posted by $ Mimi 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don’t have a problem with transgenders in general, it’s when they play head games with children’s psyche. My response then and now has been that father should have waited till the girls were done with school. I’m all for selfishness, unless my actions will result in the ill-reparable damage to those I chose to commit to and promised to protect.
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hiraghm,
    I have no rules? you are really creating scarecrows out in the fields. but the crows are wise.
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    dear hiraghm, I respectfully did nt make the comment you attributed to me. go back to go
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 12 years, 7 months ago
    I just don't know that it's very rational to try to avoid or alter nature to this extent and then believe that you can live a 'normal' life without repercussions. Thinking does not seem to have been a highly appreciated attribute in the development of this situation.
    Maybe mental health issues should be dealt with as that, instead of altering biology.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 12 years, 7 months ago
    This requires some deep thinking beyond just repeating whatever you believed before you read Ayn Rand. The basic questions here need to be asked and addressed.

    Mimi wrote: "I knew a father like him who had two young girls. ... You talk about the betrayal that parents felt when they showed up a softball practice with this clown in a dress and wig. He destroyed his daughters. They were mortified to be seen with him. The older daughter begged me .... "

    We moved from the state capital (Lansing) to a farm village of 3000 (Fowlerville) when our daughter was 12. The second year, for Halloween, I dressed up as a pirate and gave out Mardi Gras Doubloons to callers. Our daughter was mortified. "Dad! You can't! This is a small town! Everyone knows who you are!!" Then the light went on: "EVERYONE KNOWS WHO I AM !!! Dad, you can't!"

    Basically, it was either Ambrose Bierce or H. L. Mencken, but "horrid" is the young womanese expression for "mildly objectionable."

    One of our marriage counselors pointed out that the child will leave the home but that we would be living together for the rest of our lives. Marriage is NOT about the children.

    In fact, it may be a collectivist, altruist error in logic to claim that the children deserve all the sacrifices of the parents.

    Specifically, when our daughter was about 22 or so, she called up one night to apologize for all the grief. I knew it was coming, because I had read Mark Twain who said that when he was 17 and left home, his father was the dumbest man on Earth, but when he returned 10 years later, he was amazed at how wise his father had become...

    Although I was first a freshman in 1967, I completed my BS in 2008 and MA in 2010. In one undergraduate class coincidental circumstances brought me out to a dinner with a girl one-third my age with a rainbow on her backpack. She said, "Sex is what is between your legs. Gender is what is between your ears. Orientation is what goes on between the sheets."
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Self-respect is not a "whim". Emotional abuse on the part of teenage peers is not a myth, either.

    And if you don't cater to the whims of a child, the homosexual agenda should fall flat on its face.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "false stereotypes"? Please give an example of a "true stereotype" for context?

    So, you're part of that crowd in the 70s that insisted on giving Barbie dolls to boys to combat gender imprinting or whatever the hell they called it?

    Tell me, khalling, are you an anarchist? You seem to want no rules whatsoever, not even natural ones.

    Do you believe evolution happened/is happening? Because, again, you seemed to be opposed to any rules; what I want uber alles, regardless of sanity or pragmatics.
    Sex roles are real, and exist for a purpose. They weren't "invented", they developed... instinctively, one might say. Yes, gender roles vary from culture to culture but they always exist, as they existed before we had culture beyond the family tribe. And not all cultures are equal. It appears to me that the cultures with well-defined gender roles have been more successful than those with no gender roles... those few you can find.

    Why should people dress at all?
    And this gender-neutral dress we've already adopted (and the general public slovenliness) I strongly suspect was part of the plot to force public acceptance of homosexuality, to further the overall goal of destroying western civilization.

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  • Posted by $ Mimi 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nay. I have no sympathy for their dad whatsoever. He bounced all around the neighborhood in his new and improved feminine self, and left his daughters to deal with the sudden rejection, the loss of their father, and their mother because she walked around shell-shocked for a couple years.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Highram asserted: "You made the kid, you are responsible for the well-being of the kid until the kid is able to care for him/herself."

    Agreed. You do not, however, cater to the whims of a child.
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  • Posted by Mitch 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I thought that I better clarify that I really don’t have any issues with homosexuals as long as I don’t have to hear about it. They should do what is in their best interest but please leave me out of it… I don’t want to know at all. I don’t wear a sign that says “Hey, I like women and you have to like it”. It’s just the militant homosexual community that I have a problem with.
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  • Posted by Mitch 12 years, 7 months ago
    I don’t think people should be so tolerant in our society, you do have the right to disagree and to be offended but to force your opinion upon everyone else by making it a law under the guise of discrimination then I think the government has gone too far. These issues effect all of us by forcing our society to accept these issues as normal. I’m sorry that I disagree but this issue does affect me and my family directly as it effects our society as a whole. I feel that every child should be raised in a family with a father and a mother. If I disagree with you, you can be offended but that isn’t going to change my mind and forcing the issue by making it a law is not correct. Look at all of the entitled people we have today because of the forced social policies.

    Since I’m not a member of a protective class like everyone else, I have to take the saturation into my own hands and simple surround myself with people I can tolerate. Hence, who is looking out for me and forcing other people to tolerate me?

    I’m not addressing the issue of the social services taking the kids away as there has to be more to this story then what was told. On the narrative presented, I would agree that they overstepped their boundaries but these stories are usually presented in a light to cause change…
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think this was mimi's experience with friends in her life. btw, if you are going through the steps, you are required to live as the sex you are changing to. I guess you can dress as you want. I think the requirement of dress as a guy or a girl seems stupid to me. enforcing false stereotypes. but I really don't know. exhibitionism could be at the root of any disturbed person. Logically, I do not see how rational self interest and transgender-fication(dang, maph-what's the word here?) are mutually exclusive.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh, btw, sex is what's between your legs; gender is what's in the noises you make when you talk. And orientation is what's between your ears.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "In fact, it may be a collectivist, altruist error in logic to claim that the children deserve all the sacrifices of the parents. "

    Dear khalling, this is where I exercise my restraint and refrain from ad hominem.

    Marriage is about the children. It is not altruism, but responsibility, the key difference between liberty and license. You made the kid, you are responsible for the well-being of the kid until the kid is able to care for him/herself.

    Unless you're sick in the head, putting your kids' needs first is not a sacrifice. It's like you're saying it's okay to starve, neglect or abuse your dog because caring for the dog you chose to acquire might be collectivist or altruistic. Basic human decency and acceptance of responsibility be damned.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "This happened when ‘she’ insisted on showing up at Back To School night."

    It seems to be part of the pathology, the need for exhibitionism...
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How the hell does a female sire children? Did they sew somebody's testicles onto her during the operation? If so, then isn't HE technically the father of the children?

    Why should there be cultural acceptance of that mental illness, any more than there's cultural acceptance of any other mental illness?
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