Because it's a ****ING DEFINITION. What the hell, can I decide that I "feel like a horse" so I don't have to pay taxes? How stupid are people to buy this "transgender" crap? WAKE UP people!!!

edit: Ok, I misread your response... no, I have no say in whatever she believes, but I DO have a say in my opinion as to what our society should refer to them as.

I was simply pointing out the fact that these children were not being raised by a father and a mother, they were being raised by two women.

"Whom they have sex with is a bit more limited..."

By whose standards? Or as I used to say, "who died and left YOU boss?"

Then I realized Who It Was Who Died and left "you" boss. His Name is often Capitalized.

And you can't tell belief or agreement from fact or logic. So sad. You are not a libertarian. You are a conservative religious bigot.

And part of a very popular cult.

Highram, one of the basic misconceptions that's the foundation of your "argument" is that homosexuality is some kind of aberrant behavior or some "mental illness."

It's not. In the Grand Scheme of Things, nearly everything falls on some kind of more-or-less bell-shaped distribution.

Including sexual inclination. It's not "abnormal," it's merely "part of the normal distribution," even if it's a small part (and more like 5% than 2%, as someone claimed above.

If you see sexual behaviors and inclinations as all PARTS of a distribution, nothing is "abnormal" and everything is just some degree of "normal," where "normal" is where the distribution peaks.

If you can't see it that way, you're going to fall into the trap of labeling all kinds of things "abnormal" which are just part of a distribution.

Having been bullied and taunted in grades 5-12, I would guess that Mitch was never bullied, OR WAS the bully, to make comments like that.

Well, Mitch?

Literacy check, here... CINDY, previously AND currently genetic and physically a FEMALE gave birth. the "father/husband" was transgendered from female to male.

Or was that the part you missed?

in your opinion, not "hers," y'know... if "she" considers "herself" male, what business does your nose have in the situation, other than to get bent out of shape due to YOUR own beliefs?

Nothing rational there...

And I just love to ask folks like Hiragm where they got the idea that those things they're railing against are "perversions." imnsho, it always goes back to a root cause source in some church or someone on a pulpit or a biblical quote, and that saddens me. No critical thought. Just hatred based on interpretation of one of dozens of translations of words written thousands of years ago, followed by the arbitrary decision that "my version is the right version... and yours isn't."

The only logical arguments against polygamy or polyandry are that things like legal rights laws and inheritance laws haven't covered the circumstances that can result.

And ditto for marrying your German Sheppard (sic)... at least being able to sign your names to the marriage certificate would eliminate that problem, maybe... Beyond that, who the F cares?! You want your dog deciding your end-of-life hospice choices? Go for it!

do you understand that there might be a difference between the two concepts of "gender neutral" restrooms and "use the one you identify with"?

in the one case, there would just be "peoples' rooms" and either sex/gender could use it (them.)

In the second case, there would (still) be boys/girls' rooms or men/womens' rooms with separate signs and icons, but the person entering by either door would choose the door by the gender THEY identify with....

Can y'all see that?

Still, your link is discussing gay couples. It doesn’t matter; you and Maph are missing my point. It’s the element of deception in the story that I bristled to. Changing your sexual identity is a huge deal. My granddaughter, who is five and absolutely adores me sat staring at me suspiciously for a weekend because I cut my hair. Kids don’t like change. Sometimes, sudden and dramatic change can cause a child with a hereditary predisposition to suddenly develop symptoms of a mental illness. Stable, mature adults should have children. Unfortunately, the rest of us have to wing it, There is a big difference from a loving gay couple having a child, and some jerk, who has a child, then changes his/her sex, and then let’s the grandparents in on the “surprise". Kids are not pets. Get your act together before you have children, and cut the instability and deception to a minimum. The article is lacking detail, but IF the real reason that they lost the child was that the parents were transexuals, that’s lame. I bet the full story would show this couple exercised poor judgement in other areas.

I get it. and it's truly a sad story. sigh. the transgender stuff stands out but we both know personality trumps.

You know I love ya, khalling, but...
*raspberries*
Nope. My husband is deceased and my grown children are fine. There is an element of deception to this story that just triggered my memory about how my daughter’s friend’s life had been ruined. That really was the turning point for her. She started losing it, getting into trouble all the time. She use to be the happiest little girl. Always with...her ‘dad’. You get caught up with the lives of your neighbor’s children when you know them from birth till they have children of their own. Yes, it’s personal, but only in a innocent bystander sort-of-way.