Hey, Maph... you missed one...

Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 8 months ago to Culture
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While I'm loathe to defend Alec Baldwin, even if he said what he was accused of saying, it wasn't "homophobic".
"Homophobic" would have been something like, "Oh, my God! Run! There's a c*ks**king f*g approaching! Run for your lives! Godzirra! Godzirra!"

Meanwhile, while we're expected to allow the warping of a perfectly good word to promote the stereotype of homosexuals as being effeminate (to wit: "gay"), "redneck" is continued to be used as a welcome slur by one and all w/o the least bit of outrage anywhere outside of my apartment. "Dumbf**king redneck" is still perfectly acceptable. (and God forbid you should name your football team "redskins"; it might offend some aborigines whose permanent tan is the color of red Oklahoma clay.)

And while I'd probably be taken to court for referring to Obama as "The Democrats boy", any white male you encounter is fair game, regardless of age, to be called "white boy".

And don't tell any homosexual jokes (even if they're about Barney Frank, a walking, talking, homosexual joke), but feel free to tell dumb blonde jokes.

But, blondes can always die their hair, and join in twisting perfectly useful words like "chairman" into tongue twisters such as "chairperson". Or dropping "actress" and "hostess" altogether. And God forbid you should refer to "flight attendants" as "stewards" and "stewardesses".

My point (you knew I'd get around to one, have faith) is that it doesn't matter that the slur Baldwin used was directed at the (probably inaccurately) presumed sexual appetite of his victim. Had he called the guy a "baby-raping bastard" it would have been equally offensive (and probably equally inaccurate). But, no, they don't make the issue that Baldwin has a propensity for curse-laced verbal abuse, which it should be; they make the issue that this particular curse-laced verbal abuse violated the requirement that we all must embrace and accept homosexuality.




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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I meant your resume in here. it's true that Colorado College took some heat recently for posting online a position that asked for for gender and then sexuality. One of the choices was "queer." which seems derogatory to me-but what do I know?
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  • Posted by 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If you want reality, then accept the reality that a sexual appetite for other than the opposite sex of one's own species is a mental/emotional illness.
    The bond between man and wife isn't simply a rational contract, but an instinctual emotion, which is why most marriages include ceremony with the contract; to cement the emotional connection.

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  • Posted by 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The current trend also indicates that we're heading for a fascist/communist/socialist future. Just because it is a current trend doesn't make it either right or desirable.

    Gay and lesbian people are perfectly capable of getting married. Not to each other, obviously, but there are such things as members of the opposite sex.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well the word "queer" has been used by the gay and lesbian communities for a long time.

    And you're asking for a resume? What for?
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    maph! yes, my close friend probably came up with the Q wordage at CC in Colorado recently. but still. can I know you by a well d eveloped resume? Please?!
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Fine...just don't call it "marriage" though. That's my only beef. You don't get to change the definition of my marriage, but you are welcome to all the same legal rights. Divorce lawyers will love it too.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ah yes, I forgot about the whole "get government out of marriage entirely" argument. I suppose reverting to common law marriages – where all anyone has to do in order to be married is act like they're married – is certainly a legitimate argument from a purely philosophical standpoint, though the actual implementation of that would require several other government programs to be undone first, and that isn't likely to happen anytime soon. The fact that government is involved with marriage is unchangeable, at least for the foreseeable future. As such, it is imperative for LGBT couples to be extended the same rights as everybody else.

    http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/01/14/why-...
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's not about everyone being gay or not...baby making faculties are a fact and a valid distinction. I said nothing about every single person reproducing being a necessity (believe me I'D NEVER SAY THAT)... So don't put words, or made-up arguments, in my mouth. Nor did I say it should be a prerequisite to marriage. My point is... my marriage and yours aren't the same and they shouldn't have the same name. Names mean something...just ask your lgbt club friends...they have a bunch of them. And the gov shouldn't be butting into ANYbody's relationships, married or otherwise. Stop begging for them to get involved with yours...(it won't change any opinions anyway..those who accept will accept and those you don't won't)...as the saying goes..be careful what you wish for.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well yeah, if 100% of the population were homosexual, then naturally population levels would certainly become a legitimate concern. However, that isn't reality. The reality is that only approximately 5% - 10% of the population is homosexual (getting an exact percentage is difficult because so many people are in the closet about their sexuality). And actual laws should be based on reality, not impossible and unrealistic hypothetical scenarios. In the real world, it isn't necessary for every single person to reproduce, so making that a prerequisite for marriage is rather inane.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But...if you were left to your own devices...the human race would die out. Just because what you want will probably happen doesn't make my point any less valid. I hope you know you can't FORCE others to accept what they don't/won't accept... your force actually has the opposite affect. And thanks for letting me know I'm "entitled" to my opinion...you "suppose". Right back at ya, Maph.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, I suppose you're entitled to your opinion, but the current trend clearly indicates where the law is heading in the future. For example, consider Prop. 8, which banned same-sex marriage in California but still allowed for Civil Unions, yet was overturned by the Ninth Circuit as being discriminatory. Also consider Hawaii, which had Civil Unions since 2011, but just a few days ago legalized full on same-sex marriage. I suppose you can be obstinate about it if you want, but the future trajectory of these events is undeniable.

    Also, gay and lesbian people are perfectly capable of reproducing. Not with each other, obviously (at least not yet), but there are such things as sperm donors and surrogate mothers.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    From what I've seen, most college clubs allow anyone to join, even straight people (who are typically referred to as Straight Allies, or just Allies).

    I haven't really much looked into non-university organizations, so I can't say what their policies would be like. My guess is there's a significant amount of diversity (!) among different clubs.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    sigh... I wish I could unread that. There is no "I" in "Club". And what kind of proof do you need to join? Is there an initiation? An oath? A Promise or a Pledge?
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    LGBT = Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender.

    Basically it's just a shorthand way of referring to the entire community at once. Sometimes people will change up the order of the letters and use GLBT instead, and the other day I even heard one advocate say she liked to use BLTG because she found it amusing to make people think she was talking about a sandwich. But LGBT and GLBT are the two most dominate arrangements.

    In addition, there also times when people will tack the letter Q on the end for Queer in order to include anyone not covered under the first four categories. I've also noticed that it's becoming more common to add the letter I for Intersex and A for Asexual (total absence of sexual attraction to anyone), and P for Pansexual (similar to bisexual, except that it acknowledges the existence of more than two genders). Of course the more letters that get added on to the acronym, the more unwieldy it becomes (LGBTQIAP is more difficult to say than LGBT), and there is a debate among community members as to whether to use a different label other than what has become known as the "alphabet soup." The LGBT club at the university I attend decided to simply call themselves the Spectrum Club, and clubs at other universities experiment with varying names and labels as well, and some people advocate using shorter but more inclusive alternatives such as GSM (Gender and Sexual Minorities) or GSD (Gender and Sexual Diversity).

    You can find more information at the following links:

    http://ftm-transscribed.tumblr.com/post/...

    http://www.queerty.com/therapists-argue-...
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't care what you do, but you can't have the word "marriage". You can have all the 'equalness' you want, but keeping the human race going will be something you will never be able to do. So your marriage and my marriage are NOT the same thing. We can be legally equal all the live long day, but physically equal is an impossibility. We already have the name... find your own. And no, that does NOT make you a second class citizen no matter how you stretch it.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    legal benefits are a different question and I see you are happy to promote them. I want to start there with your thinking. that foundation is stigmatizing. You fwant to force me to accept terms such as LGBT which I don't even know what it stands for. I am sick to death with every little group slapping me down because I do not acknowledge their brand new name. Homosexuality is as old as time maph.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Forcing LGBT people to use a different term to describe their relationships would only encourage further stigmatization and relegate them to the status of second class citizens. And yes, I am against special privileges, which is why I insist on the legalization of actual marriages and not civil unions, because in places where civil unions are permitted, they always come with fewer legal benefits than actual marriage. This gives opposite-sex couples unfair tax privileges which are denied to same-sex couples. So yes, I am definitely opposed to that. Equal rights should mean the SAME rights, not something different that lawmakers try to pass off as roughly equivalent.

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2004...
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    lol. what needs clarifying? you know me. I am against ANY law that is not consistent with natural rights. marriage is a "special" entitlement in our country. Fail. it is a contract. however, it has a definition. gay couples need to come up with a different word for their contract. you should actively be against special tax privileges for anyone. taxes should be based on consumption.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Wait, I'm confused about what you're saying, then. Apparently I misunderstood. Could you clarify your argument, please?
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    what you are confusing is the philosophical position of individualism with the practical question of how to accomplish an objective: such as eliminating sodomy laws which are inconsistent with individual freedom. You want to hide behind a group legislatively. that is collectivism. do you see the difference behind advocating sodomy laws overturned vs new laws giving one group preferential treatment? why is marriage the goal over contractual agreement enforcement for example. understand, I think privileges allowed married couples in the US should have no more legal weight than a simple contract. no tax benefits, etc.
    on this post, you're taking ME on Maph? lol
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Excuse me, but what makes you think teamwork is counter productive? If it were not for a united effort against bigotry, not only would there not have been legalized marriage equality in 16 states now, but it's also probable that the so-called "anti-sodomy" laws would never have been declared unconstitutional (up until 2003 it was actually illegal to even be gay in some states). Individualism is fine when it's applied exclusively to the concept of rights, but saying that an individual can be more effective than a coordinated team is simply wrong.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 8 months ago
    I don't watch TMZ. Celebrity worship isn't my thing. Just seems like a waste of time.

    Whenever I'm at Wal-Mart, the celebrity gossip magazines they have up front always have some kind of headline along the lines of "Guess who's pregnant now?" And I'm like, "I don't care."

    Honestly, if people spent as much time developing their own talents as they do worshiping celebrities, they'd probably be celebrities themselves.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 11 years, 8 months ago
    Good points. Baldwin is an idiot and MSNBC gave him his own show. Its been suspended but why would they give this loser a platform.
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  • Posted by Rozar 11 years, 8 months ago
    This is pretty hilarious on all kinds of levels lol.
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