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For Those That Still Think The US Is A Free Country

Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 8 months ago to Government
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How a Bipartisan Majority in Congress Shredded the Constitution, Again. By Judge Napolitano:

"When the government is waving at us with its right hand, so to speak, it is the government's left hand that we should be watching. Just as a magician draws your attention to what he wants you to see so you will not observe how his trick is performed, last week presented a textbook example of public disputes masking hidden deceptions. Here is what happened:"

While we were watching the CIA Torture Report and Cop Abuse, with no public notice or discussion-Congress, The President, and the Bureaucracy did it to us again, big time. Hidden in the Cromnibus Spending Bill to fund the government through next Sept. was a little item eliminating the 4th Amendment to the Constitution. I didn't hear or see anyone talking about this. Maybe I just missed it, but I don't think so.

What's it going to take for even Objectivist to begin to realize that the country we thought we still had at least a piece of left and a little bit of hope to turn towards freedom is no more and it can't be turned around or even re-directed? Just how deep in the sand are our heads stuck?

We now actually live in a country that is a police state, a total surveillance state, that all in taxes us at 50% +/-, whose elected officials blatantly lie to us on a daily basis, that shares the wealth with more people than work to provide the wealth, that's stolen vast sectors of the economy for the benefit of the bureaucrats, that's bankrupted the present and future lives of it's citizens, that's working overtime to steal the minds of our children, has the largest prison population in total and per capita on the planet, and has absolutely no respect whatsoever for it's citizens.

And we didn't even notice, while we posted and commented on our little news blurbs and argued about Objectivsm vs. religion! Just take a deep breath and see what happens in 2015 and 2016. It's going to be a nightmare.


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  • Posted by jpellone 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have to agree that the younger vets are clueless. I have talked to a few of them and have never even read the Constitution let alone understand it. I have also talked to many vets over 50 that all agree that if the SHTF they will do whatever is necessary (in fact ALL of them over 50 that I have talked to).
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  • Posted by jconne 10 years, 8 months ago
    Zen, I agree with you, educating future generations is not sufficient but it is necessary. And I have been a trainer in industry for many decades, so I know what you refer to on that account too.

    So what can we do now to counter the forces, or should I say ignorance of our electorate, that are daily reducing our freedom? Just talking among ourselves won't make a difference.

    I see no alternative to educating the willing.

    Have you seen Alex Epstein's recent book, "The Moral Case for Fossil Fuel"? That's an outstanding example of what I'm referring to.

    Can we write books or articles in each of our fields of expertise to advance the cause of freedom?
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  • Posted by 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What was the quote of Jefferson's (paraphrased)? Something along the line of 'Liberty requires the fertilizer of patriots and tyranny's blood.'
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  • Posted by 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    jconne; Again I don't disregard the importance of education to the youth and I certainly don't support giving up on that task, but it's simply not going to be sufficient. If you've ever been involved in teaching at any level on any subject matter, an obvious truth soon becomes very evident. Although we all may be born equal, we don't all reach equal levels of comprehension and while those that reach higher levels of comprehension can easily understand and utilize information at lower levels of information and information processing, those below can't even imagine what the higher levels are seeing, processing, analyzing, and are cognizant of.

    Such is true of Objectivism. The ability to see and analyze reality at all levels of comprehension and consciousness is not an equal birth right.

    As you point out, looking at history can tell us much. I look to our own history including the ideas of the founders and the steady (though accelerated today) decline of the effects of those ideas in our culture. It kind of looks as, if only 3% of the population fight for those ideas supported by only 30% of the population, that the rest are going to go on and ignore those ideas and destroy what the 30% worked to establish.

    When we allowed the democratization of decision and policy making, we allowed the destruction of the country and it'll never be able to rise again in the face of that democratization. There are simply too many that can't (some that won't) comprehend the totality or even levels of Objectivism. And those that can't or won't comprehend are easily manipulated into supporting and even believing in the snake oil magic and supernatural solutions of wealth redistribution and central planning and control. They actually believe that wealth exists in some magical way, rather than having to be made or formed or earned, and that they should have their share of it simply because they exist.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And a lot of people don't understand that those vets that were actually involved in combat are a minority, significantly so. And generally, the more intelligent and educated aren't slotted to infantryman, but rather to combat and operations support, i.e. maintenance, logistics, planning, etc.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Since I was an instructor for an Army branch Officer Basic Course, I can speak from first hand experience that a class on the Constitution was not included. The closest would have been sessions on the UCMJ and how those regulations derived their authority directly from the Constitution (mostly 4th and 5th amendment stuff).
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  • Posted by 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Abaco; Yes, I think we gave up the moral high ground in Nam, and it's only gotten worse since.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sad but very true, Robbie. With all the classes and training in the services, you might expect them to require some knowledge about the thing they all swear to defend.
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  • Posted by jconne 10 years, 8 months ago
    Zen, I agree - vets are no more educated and insightful that the rest of the population. After seeing how badly we are managing this war, they may be even more cynical than the rest of the population.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm so sick of form letters that I'd like to tear them up without opening them. I don't, because I always hope against hope that I'll get a well reasoned response. Haven't so far, but you never know.
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  • Posted by BradSnipes1 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Please visit www.ndbc.noaa.gov.
    This shows an interactive map of all weather buoys in the oceans. Only 1266 buoys are in existence. Typically less than 1000 of the report each day. Many of the buoys do not measure air temperature.
    Almost all of the buoys are located between 60 degrees North latitude and 20 degrees South latitude. Almost no data exists for almost 30% of the Earth's Surface.
    There is not a 100% consensus among Scientists.
    My standards of evidence are obviously higher than the standards of the man caused global warming community.
    The amount of available temperature data is hopelessly inadequate to substantiate their claims. Scientists can not possibly determine the average temperature of the Earth with the degree of accuracy that they claim.

    Brad Snipes
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  • Posted by Abaco 10 years, 8 months ago
    I think torture was the final straw. It's not that I believe in karma. But, it seems that when nations/cultures turn to torture it doesn't end well for the nation.

    I have heard reports that we were torturing children in front of their mothers. I hope that's not true.
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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes power corrupts. The question many of us struggle with every day is how to force the Government to de-power without bloodshed. Maybe we can find hope in the collapse of the USSR and the Iron Curtain countries which went out with barely a whimper.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As a vet myself, I respectfully disagree. There are many good and respected vets who haven't the slightest idea what the US Constitution really is and means. They joined and served because they love their country, but really don't know what that country stands for fundamentally. Yes, yes, they understand "freedom" - but superficially. They know it is wrong to censor somebody, but would be confused if presented with a rights question of whether a private business has the ability to exercise its rights to freedom of expression/association. Likewise, many of them would support the 2nd amendment, but would also support gun registration - oblivious to the fact that it would be the first step to confiscation. Do most understand the importance of the 9th and 10 amendments? I doubt it. How about the problems and fundamental change in the balance of power enacted by the 17th amendment? I really doubt that many understand that one.
    No, I don't count on my fellow veterans, nor active duty military, to uphold and save our constitution. And have even less expectation that hunters will step up. While there is a sub-set of each that also understand the constitution and would fight to protect it, the slices of them on a Venn Diagram would be rather small.
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  • Posted by jpellone 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I just used a couple examples but you are correct. I think you can add the 23-43 million hunters to that list. (Well, maybe not all of them). What about our well armed militia???
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  • Posted by jconne 10 years, 8 months ago
    @Zenphamy, you wrote, "...we've wauted too long..." To educate the youth - the next generations.

    It can never be "too late" to apply the only effective strategy. And that is to influence those who are not too closd to new assumptions to change. We are not going to change thise in power. We are not going to change the leftist writers and other influencers in sufficient numbers.

    Look to history for what works - how did we get from a better state of freedom to the present? How do ideas change in a culture? That's Rand's point - history is driven be the ideas a culture holds.

    Those ideas are provided by parents and schools which influence the next generations. Parents and teachers may only pay lip service to some ideas, but the next generation is more likely to act on them without conflict. At what age do children start getting conceptual and challenging parents's ideas?

    I saw it in the 60s with the hippy/collectivist/love culture. We have seen it with the "green"/collectivist culture. What was the process? What can we learn from their tactics? That the wisdom that is driving ARI's investments - have a closer look.

    So, "too late" can never be an answer - that's called giving up. There are no guarantees that our civilization will not fail as so many others have, but we can fight for our freedom and for reason. Tjise who care can engage while others just observe and butch.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is exactly what I meant by "shred." He ignored it by doing a "work around" and renaming the purchase as a treaty so as to bring it within his power. My point is once people get in power they lose the very principles they advocated before attaining the power. Power, indeed, corrupts.
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You mean: "How you are perceived to be by others"?
    If so, you are correct....and it is unfortunate.
    Intimacy and understanding are virtually unknown to most folks.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    1) I don't think that "most" people know much of what you state - based on interviews on late night shows and "Watters World" on FNC.
    2) I see little evidence that most of our fellow citizens even care about most of those things. Whether because they don't directly affect them or because they believe that those actions are "good" is unknown.
    3) There are a considerable numbers who believe that "By Any Means Necessary" is a proper tactic. Most of them reside on the left, but there are some on the right as well.
    4) Too many in politics are from the legal "profession." This leads them to craft laws that are vague and imprecise - which allows the bureaucracy to then write into "law" the specific regulations that they want. And to add/modify those whenever they want. This leads to an uniformed populace that breaks the laws repeatedly without knowing it.
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